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Fish Newbie with Questions inc Neon Tetra ones

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Maliceaforethought Wed 08-Apr-15 16:58:05

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EauRouge Wed 08-Apr-15 19:31:22

Hello smile

Yes, you can keep just neon tetras, they will be happy- especially in a large shoal. A large shoal of one species of fish looks pretty striking too. For 10 neons you could start with about 80 litres. I'd go for more like 140 litres+ if you want 20.

Don't forget to do a fishless cycle before you add any fish. Ignore anyone who says you can skip this part, it is very important. If you know anyone with a mature fish tank then you can nab some mature sponge (move it quickly though!) from their filter to speed things up. I can give you more details on that if you want.

Neons are tough little fish but they suffer from poor quality breeding. Make sure you go to a decent shop and check every fish that they bag up for you. Don't be scared about making sure the fish they bag for you aren't ropey-looking, skinny, ragged fins etc. It's normal for them to look a bit pale in the shop.

I wouldn't buy from P@H. You might be lucky in having a branch with good staff, but a specialist aquatic place will tend to have healthier fish because they will know what signs to look for when a fish is ill.

Maliceaforethought Wed 08-Apr-15 23:18:25

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DramaAlpaca Wed 08-Apr-15 23:24:52

It's a while since we kept fish, but just wanted to say that a shoal of neons would be really lovely. They are such busy little fish & look so pretty with their lovely colours flitting around the tank.

Agree with EauRouge about getting them from a specialist shop & checking each fish carefully. We had quite a high mortality rate with neons unfortunately, and DH was very careful with his fish tanks.

Maliceaforethought Wed 08-Apr-15 23:59:54

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EauRouge Thu 09-Apr-15 07:44:11

Second hand tanks are fine, there is not usually a risk if you check carefully for leaks and give it a good clean. I got the tank for my DDs' room for a fiver grin so you can save tons of money if you buy second hand. I fill them up outside first to check for leaks. It's really easy to re-silicone them if you need to but avoid anything with cracks. You can clean with a diluted bleach solution as long as you rinse it out really well.

You don't get as much choice if you buy second hand, but the bog standard rectangular shaped or bow fronted tanks are the best for fish anyway. There are loads of novelty ones in funny shapes or where the water comes right up to the top- I wouldn't bother with those. They are gimmicky and expensive and not that good for fish.

Buttholelane Thu 09-Apr-15 22:32:06

I would go for Cardinal tetras (a bit bigger) or false neons (a big smaller) as they tend to be healthier.

I think also that pets at home stores vary hugely, my local one is great while my 'specialist' destination aquatics fish store is beyond shit.
The last time I visited they had tanks with multiple bettas...
Also saw a neon labelled as a cardinal and the goldfish tanks are just sick. Stuffed full would be an understatement.

The fish in my local pah are in lovely condition and the staff ask loads of questions before you can buy one of their fish!

Maliceaforethought Sun 31-May-15 23:39:05

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EauRouge Mon 01-Jun-15 17:20:38

Sounds very good so far! Got any photos?

Have you added a source of ammonia yet? You need to do this to kickstart the cycle, otherwise nothing will happen. You can either use household ammonia (from the cleaning section, but make sure it is just ammonia and no other chemicals), or you can use fishfood.

Snails are a fact of life, I'm afraid! If you don't overfeed then they shouldn't reach Biblical plague proportions. If they do then go for assassin snails rather than chemical pesticides.

Maliceaforethought Thu 04-Jun-15 21:48:37

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EauRouge Thu 04-Jun-15 22:08:46

If you just add dechlorinator then the cycle will not start- you need to add a source of ammonia otherwise you will be adding fish to an uncycled tank. If no ammonia is added then the water test results will just be whatever the tap water is, and if the tap water has some nitrAte in then it can give the false impression that the cycle is complete. You need to add ammonia and then do regular testing to see how the cycle is progressing.

The wood sounds fairly normal, it can go a bit funny to begin with. It should sort itself out though.

Have you decided on which species of fish yet? That's my favourite bit. Soooo hard to choose though.

Maliceaforethought Thu 04-Jun-15 22:19:26

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EauRouge Thu 04-Jun-15 22:22:29

If you bung a handful in the toe of some old (clean) tights and hang it in the tank then you will get the ammonia but you won't have so much cleaning up to do at the end. It's harder to control the amount with fish food but you are looking for about 4ppm of ammonia if you can.

Maliceaforethought Fri 05-Jun-15 08:47:57

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Maliceaforethought Tue 23-Jun-15 17:09:16

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EauRouge Tue 23-Jun-15 18:24:45

It looks ace! But that is a hell of a lot of fish for a 70 litre tank. I'd prob just stick with the glowlights tbh, you could maybe add a couple more. What sort of catfish were you planning?

Maliceaforethought Tue 23-Jun-15 23:23:41

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EauRouge Wed 24-Jun-15 06:48:17

I don't think I would get two shoaling species, it will be a bit crowded. How about some shrimp?

EauRouge Wed 24-Jun-15 06:55:48

Those online stocking calculators are a bit bonkers tbh. I remember when one was being set up, the programmer guy used to ask on a fish forum what everyone thought and everyone kept telling him he was overstocking but he wouldn't listen.

There are a few guidelines to work out stocking but they are just guidelines really- you need to start stocking gradually and see how many fish your tank can support. Things like feeding and cleaning schedules also affect the stocking level, as well as surface area, fish behaviour, and a whole bunch of other things.

One of the most common guidelines is one inch of fish per gallon. So in your tank that would be around 14 inches (you need to allow for water displacement when you calculate the volume). In theory that would mean about 12 danios, but they are very active fish so I would probably go no more than 8 or 9. You could always see how it went after that and add a couple more.

Excellent choice on the glowlights btw, they are fantastic little fish. So beautiful.

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