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Please send birthing vibes for my Guppy!

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Marne Fri 16-Nov-12 09:38:17

My guppy has been pregnant fro what seems like forever sad, she's now become very restless, the males are really anoying her so i have stuck her in my breeding net (which is very large so plenty of room to swim around) but still no sign of fry, i let her out for a short time last night but the males started on her and she's too big to swim away from them, so she's now back in the net, she's breathing fast and not very active now, i'm worried if she doesnt give birth soon she will die sad, she's still eating (which is a good sign), she must have a lot of fry in her but its worrying that she has been like this for so long (has been squared off for a month).

Please send good birthing vibes to Mrs. Gupppy grin I'm sat here with the lights of, TV turned down in hope she will drop her fry.

Marne Mon 19-Nov-12 19:26:14

Found more baby snails (they are yellowish, a see through), found 3, tried to tak a pick but i knocked the filter and they fell off, they are very tiny but deffently look like snails.

Still no guppy fry though sad

Marne Sun 18-Nov-12 20:17:29

Thank you, will treat the tank (start tomorrow).

EauRouge Sun 18-Nov-12 20:04:35

Well they aren't nerites, unless you cycled your tank through a marine and then brackish stage! Your assassin snails should sort them out.

Yes, I would treat for bacterial infection. The treatment shouldn't harm the fry, they would catch the infection anyway if you don't treat the sick fish.

Marne Sun 18-Nov-12 19:43:59

oh, and Mrs Guppy is looking more square (gravid spot is squarer) so maybe getting closer to giving birth (i hope).

Marne Sun 18-Nov-12 19:42:49

So should i treat my tank for bacterial infection? i have some treatment here but ws worried it would harm my fry?

I hope they are not comon snails sad, if so i will be moving my asassin snails into the tank to eat them up. I havn't had any new plants for over 6 weeks, the snails are very tiny like they have just hatched. I cant find them now and am now starting to think i imagined it (though i did get dd1 to conform it was a snail just incase it was my dodgy eye sight).

EauRouge Sun 18-Nov-12 17:14:27

The most common snails (the ones that come in uninvited, sometimes called 'pest snails') are physa and ramshorn. The eggs will often come in undetected with plants or sometimes with fish. You can't stop them or get rid of them really, but they are harmless enough in small numbers.

Sounds like your guppies might have a internal bacterial infection.

Marne Sun 18-Nov-12 17:09:17

And i know its not them as they are not water snails grin but thts the colsest i can find in shape. Hopfully they will grow (nd not die) so we can see what they are.

Marne Sun 18-Nov-12 17:07:29

They look similar to these (similar shpe) here.

Marne Sun 18-Nov-12 15:29:46

Eau, there were no other snails in the tank so not sure what they could be, they dont look like comon snails, i can get a pic as my best camera is broken, will try will my old one but its not great. They look round and flatish, have only spotted 2 and now they have vanished. Will go nd google to see if i cn find a picture of a baby red snail.

No real symptoms at all with the fish, they seem to swimming around happily then ll of a sudden they start acting odd, trying to squeeze behind the breeding net and withing minutes they die. No real marks on them, the one this morning had a tatty tail but thats where the other guppies found it before me sad, it seems realy odd.

EauRouge Sun 18-Nov-12 12:29:55

Oh, those are nerites. They are lovely snails, but they don't breed in fresh water so the babies must be something else. Can you get a photo?

I wouldn't treat the tank unless you are reasonably sure what's causing it. It could be bacterial, could be viral, could be parasitic. Are there no symptoms at all?

Marne Sun 18-Nov-12 11:45:26

Still no fry but another 'unexpected death' of a guppy, no signs of illness, died suddenly (another female). I think it must be a parisite? how do i treat the tank? is it ok to tret with fry in the tank (they re a few weeks old)? I have lost 3 guppies nd my male Molly in the past 2 weeks, none showed any signs of illness and all were swimming around happily minutes before they died (very odd). Water has been testing fine but will test again later.

Marne Sat 17-Nov-12 21:14:12

these are the snails i hadn't seen them before, found them in pets at home (i know, i know) so bought a couple as they looked pretty, sadly one died so i was going to buy a couple more, so pleased there are now a couple baby's.

EauRouge Sat 17-Nov-12 19:31:42

You could always get them mail order from somewhere like trimar.

What are the red spotted snails, malaysian trumpets?

Marne Sat 17-Nov-12 19:01:09

Endlers seem to be hard to find here, i looked for some a while ago but only one shop had them and they only had 2 left sad, there is a man who advertises sometimes on fb who breeds them (they always sell fast).

Well, still no sign of fry but was looking in my other tank and have found a couple baby snails (red spotted snails) which was a shock as one of my snails died a couple of weeks ago leaving me with just one, they must have mated before he passed away smile.

EauRouge Sat 17-Nov-12 18:36:33

Endlers are another option, they are smaller than platys and have fantastic colours. Some shops are a bit confusing because they are sometimes labelled as wild guppies, but they're a different species, although they can interbreed so shouldn't be kept together.

Marne Sat 17-Nov-12 15:27:40

She's doing ok, she keeps going to the bottom of the net and lying quite still like she's going to give birth and then she has a burst of energy and starts swimming around again.

I think i will look into platy's after christmas (when i have sold some fry and have the room).

FermezLaBouche Sat 17-Nov-12 13:48:25

You mentioned keeping platys instead of guppys. Until now, I've had platys in every single tank I've kept and I think the only one that died was one that came to me in a very poor state from pets at home. They are sooo easy to keep, and although they aren't as stunning as guppies can be, they can be very vibrant.
I would love some in my current tank but not sure my angel and rams would like them?

Hope she's still doing ok!

Marne Sat 17-Nov-12 11:52:12

Because i'm worried the other guppies would kill her (or stress her out so much she dies), if i do get fry i will probably still save them from getting eaten because i'm too soft, will just mean my other fry will have to go to their new home a bit early (i would have liked to have kept them longer to see their colours).

She still seems happy in the net (well happier then she would be in the tank) but keeps looking at me as if to say 'dont rush me' grin, will leave her in their for now, the males are swimming around the net as if they are waiting to eat her fry (i think they are getting fed up of waiting too).

EauRouge Sat 17-Nov-12 11:16:58

Why have you put her in the net if you don't want to raise the fry?

Give her a bit more time. I had long labours and hated being rushed grin

Marne Sat 17-Nov-12 10:33:15

She deffently hasn't had any fry for at least 2 months, last time i had fry she was in the net (3 weeks ago) and 2 others had fry in the tank (around 30 fry), she has been in and out of the net and hasnt changed size, gravid spot has not change and no sign of any fry sad

Have tried water cahnges but nothing. Maybe she's just bloated, should i give her a few peas? she seems to be pooing ok. Maybe she needs a c-section grin.

Grumpla Sat 17-Nov-12 09:11:26

Could you try a water change? Can stimulate fish to spawn sometimes, maybe it will have a similar effect on livebearers?

I found guppies were a bit hit and miss but then I only had a few males in a pretty large tank. A few of them lived a couple of years, that was the top end. They tended to get sick and / or die whenever I went on holiday and trusted someone else to look after the tanks! So obviously very fragile when it comes to water quality varying.

Platys were a lot more robust.

EauRouge Sat 17-Nov-12 09:04:29

She would have died already if it'd been the same batch of fry the whole time. They can sometimes get one stuck and die during birth. I wouldn't move her, the stress during labour can really mess things up. Fingers crossed that she'll pop them out soon!

The problem with guppies is that they are so very inbred- they've been line bred entirely for looks and as a result their health has really suffered. Same with fancy goldfish. There aren't any restrictions about breeding fish like there are with dogs so you end up with some real mutants sad

Marne Sat 17-Nov-12 08:33:02

Nothing sad, sadly i dont think she will ever give birth, she has been pregnant for months (sinse i bought her), maybe she cant physicly give birth?, i might have to kick her out into the other tank (if the danios dont chase her) as i think the other guppy will give birth before her.

Guppys are a pain, i love having fry but they do seem to be harder to keep then some fish, my old guppy died last night (he was my pretty yellow snake skin with a huge tail), they always seem to be giving birth or dying, i'm tempted to replace them with platy.

FermezLaBouche Sat 17-Nov-12 08:22:18

Any news? Hope you've come down this morning to some fry!
I've never, ever been able to keep guppies successfuly!

EauRouge Fri 16-Nov-12 21:22:42

Blimey, I don't think I'll ever keep guppies- sounds stressful!

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