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torthecatlady Sat 26-Mar-16 22:24:09

So I sat down with a glass of wine and my two cats, totally taking advantage of a house to myself to watch BAT. wine

A long time fave of mine. I know it's Hollywood, but most things seemed so simple and wonderful then!

How effortlessly stunning Audrey was and from documentaries I have watched she was not considered a typical beauty back then - Crazy!

God awful casting of Mickey Rooney though!! How was that ever ok to do?! blush

pippistrelle Sun 27-Mar-16 08:49:23

but most things seemed so simple and wonderful then!

Most things do on escapist works of entertainment, of course.

I have to say it's not one of my favourite films but she does look wonderful, and I totally appreciate the sensation of wrapping yourself in a favourite old film. This is why I recorded 'Gone with the Wind' yesterday. Now I just need four hours in which to watch it!

VulcanWoman Sun 27-Mar-16 16:58:06

I like this film a lot too. I agree about Micky Rooney, disturbing and odd.
I can't get over how the cat was so well behaved in the scene at the end in the rain.
And what a great scene that was.
I like Audrey Hepburn in Roman Holiday even more.

Trills Sun 27-Mar-16 17:05:37

The whole thing is a bit disturbing and odd if you think about it too hard.

Audrey Hepburn makes her living how exactly?

She's clearly getting no help with her mental health issues.

She ran away from one possessive man and has now found herself with another.

VulcanWoman Sun 27-Mar-16 17:21:41

grin you forgot the bit about her boyfriend being a sex toy to the rich woman.

LordEmsworth Sun 27-Mar-16 17:25:39

Audrey Hepburn makes her living how exactly?

Isn't it obvious? The book is explicit about the fact that men pay her for company and sex. The film barely hides it...

The book also has a very different and - really - far more believable ending; I do like the film but the ending is too Hollywood for my taste.

Trills Sun 27-Mar-16 17:33:02

Oh I don't have time to list EVERYTHING that's dodgy! grin

torthecatlady Mon 28-Mar-16 02:03:06

A lot of dodgy underlying messages! I haven't read the book, but I think i'll put it in my pile!
Also, yes to Roman Holiday!
The cat was "acted" by about 7 cats apparently!!

JanTheJam Mon 28-Mar-16 02:08:52

I haven't been able to watch the movie since I read the book. It makes what she does absolutely explicit.

I always feel sad she didn't get her "happy ever after" with the rich South American man. id rather be rich and bored than poor and frightened for the future

notquitehuman Mon 28-Mar-16 16:19:17

She won't be poor. Didn't George Peppard write another novel at the end?

It's a nice enough film about broken people finding each other. If you don't think too much about the creepy aspects like the teenage marriage and racist Mickey Rooney.

VinceNoirLovesHowardMoon Mon 28-Mar-16 16:38:40

I love this film. Mickey Rooney was a bizarre anachronism but the rest is wonderful. Holly and paul were both escorts.

Davros Wed 30-Mar-16 12:02:09

DD went to World Book Day as Holly Golightly in year 6!! Her outfit was brilliant but the dim girly teacher gave the prize to her favourite pet girls who went as the Smurfs ffs! I still haven't got over it. DD loves BAT and I assumed correctly that most of the teachers wouldn't know any more about the real story of holly Golightly than DD.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Sun 10-Apr-16 14:19:25

DD loves BAT and I assumed correctly that most of the teachers wouldn't know any more about the real story of holly Golightly than DD

That's a bit patronising. The teacher may have known perfectly well your DD had taken the character of a high class call girl /escort and thought it inappropriate. I love Breakfast at Tiffany 's , book and film , but it's a dubious choice for an 11/12 year old (is that the right age for year 6)

VinceNoirLovesHowardMoon Sun 10-Apr-16 16:14:38

10/11 for year 6! I can imagine a 10 year old enjoying the film and missing the subtext but did she really read and enjoy the book?

Waltermittythesequel Sun 10-Apr-16 16:24:45

I think dressing your 10/11 year old as Holly Golightly is highly inappropriate.

Instead of assuming the teacher didn't know about it, I would assume she did and didn't give the prize to the child dressed as a hooker!

afterthegoldrush Sun 10-Apr-16 16:27:40

I love Truman Capote - his books are very well written. I also love the fact Dill out of To Kill a Mockingbird is based upon him - he was Harper Lee's best friend

thecatfromjapan Sun 10-Apr-16 16:34:05

The film pretty much eliminates Holly's profession , partly through the choice of star. Truman Capote was miffed about this; he wanted Marilyn Monroe for the part. The novel can be read as a discourse on then-subversive sexuality, with Holly (who is very sexual) and her sexuality standing above a Mycenae of homosexual sexuality.
The choice of Audrey eliminated many of the visual signifiers of that rawer sexuality.
Capote also ran into trouble with his publishers, and was vaguely annoyed by one editor defending the book by saying Holly was a sort of high-ass call-girl but not grubbily done.

It is quite easy, then, to skate over it if you so wish.

Considering the content of a lot of teen/young adult fiction, I'm not sure Breakfast at Tiffany's is something I'd particularly disapprove of.

I'd be amazed if a child had the language skills/maturity to read it with full depth in Year 6 but, to be fair, many adults don't have those skills either (I forget what the average reading age in this country is).

I think, morally, the content can be interrogated: times move on and I'm not sure Holly would now be considered such a good cipher for disruptive sexuality. But who knows?

Anyway, long way round of saying I'm not sure I'm going to judge any parent whose child turns up as Holly for Book Day.

I am curious about the smurfs, however. Were they in body and face paint? That's commitment.

thecatfromjapan Sun 10-Apr-16 16:43:08

Also, the point about Holly, is that she is sexual, over and above being a call-girl. She runs off from her husband, abandoning children; she likes sex(remember her fellow call-girl who doesn't); she runs off to the wherever it is, as a force of the wild.
I think Capote saw her being a prostitute as part of that - something we'd question as somewhat romantic these days.
However, I think Holly makes more sense if you think of her as Candy Darling: one of Warhol's trans (I don't know how s/he would define her/himself these days) superstars: hustling because of a nexus of desire and exigency in search of. Cultural, social and political identity that doesn't yet exist.

Seeing that Holly is such a fantasy figure of dreamed gender and sexual identity, I can see why she remains airing as a projection for women, actually.

In the film version, Audrey has a real teenager figure. I can see why it might appeal to a young girl. I'm not at all sure I'd administer the slap on the wrist of saying: 'you're dressed like a booker' because I think it's probably less sime than that.

Waltermittythesequel Sun 10-Apr-16 16:54:13

I'm assuming (probably incorrectly) that a ten year old girl is largely ignorant of the plots and themes of the work beyond its literal interpretation, ie: Holly is a call girl.

As a teacher, can you imagine the shit storm you would face if you awarded a prize for such a costume?

Considering the shit storm they face for completely innocuous decisions on a daily basis.

Wasn't there a young boy sent home from school last year for turning up as Christian Grey?

thecatfromjapan Sun 10-Apr-16 16:56:31

By the way, I think, with the passage of time, it's probably the abandonment of children (even though not her biological offspring) and husband that is still quite disturbing.

VinceNoirLovesHowardMoon Sun 10-Apr-16 17:01:47

Really? I find the whole concept that a much older man married a young teenager to be more disturbing than the fact of her running away. Why wouldn't she run away?

Waltermittythesequel Sun 10-Apr-16 17:04:41

I do, too.

Wasn't she 18 in the book?

thecatfromjapan Sun 10-Apr-16 17:09:50

Very true, Vince Noir. I have to admit, that's where my sympathies lie. And I think Capote leads us to think about the relationship between the economics of marriage (Holly is abjectly poor at 18) and prostitution. A bit of an obvious, even trite, reflection these days, but still there in the novel.

thecatfromjapan Sun 10-Apr-16 17:11:09

I do think there remains an enormous social pressure on women to not leave children.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Sun 10-Apr-16 17:14:29

10/11 for year 6

Not everyone went through the English school system!

I find the whole concept that a much older man married a young teenager to be more disturbing than the fact of her running away. Why wouldn't she run away?

It was presented as being not particularly unusual in that time and place. Cf Jerry Lee Lewis and his 14 year old bride.

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