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A question to anyone who has had thoughts of s*

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lottieloulou Tue 03-May-11 11:44:09

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madmouse Tue 03-May-11 11:53:57

I think you will find that these thoughts are much more common than you think and that many people have them. Yours truly included.

What medication are you on? And don't go by your GP never having heard it before - many people would opt not to fess up about these thoughts and GPs are no expert in mental health. So if you are concerned accept the referral.

Automatic thoughts can still be challenged - you could ask for a referral for CBT (counselling)

Oh and do away with the s* - no one has ever committed suicide just because someone else wrote the word wink - there is too much taboo thinking round these things.

TheChewyToffeeMum Tue 03-May-11 11:59:14

If your GP has never heard it before it is only because he hasn't asked.

I think this is actually really common. I have even seen it written on a GP forum that if a patient is not experiencing any suicidal thoughts at all then they are not depressed.

FWIW I have had depression on and off for several years now and I know when these thoughts increase I need to do something about it - either medication, meditation, exercise, sunlight - whatever I think is lacking.

lottieloulou Tue 03-May-11 11:59:23

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confuddledDOTcom Tue 03-May-11 12:35:20

If a patient isn't having suicidal thoughts they're not depressed??? I've been under a psychiatrist most of my life, I found out by looking over my doctors shoulder they diagnosed me with BPD, Mum said she suspected it from something a doctor said to her when I was a teen and from knowing the condition. I am not suicidal which is supposed to be a feature of BPD although I do sometimes get the thoughts about it, I guess it's more towards OCD of "what would happen" thoughts than actually wanting to do it.

I got OCD thoughts when my eldest was a baby. I had Birth Trauma following her birth (premature crash section after losing my first baby less than a year before) I used to imagine accidentally hurting her in some of the most horrible ways. I'd walk out of my way to avoid having to use stairs because they set off rather vivid images of me dropping her down the stairs or over a balcony. I should point out it was always an accident and I never wanted to hurt her. That's the important thing in these thoughts, whether they're about hurting yourself or someone else, accidentally or deliberately - you never actually want to do them. If they're too intrusive then speaking to a doctor is a good idea but if you can handle them then there's no reason to worry about them.

madmouse Tue 03-May-11 13:10:20

No of course I'm not telling you off - you've done nothing wrong. Just felt there is no need to do it that's all and there are too much taboos about mental health- also there are more things starting with s that people don't like to read about such as self-harm and sexual abuse...

I can imagine it makes you shudder - but as I said these feelings are very common.

ThisIsANiceCage Tue 03-May-11 13:44:36

Sounds completely normal for depression, to me, lottieloulou.

My suicidal thoughts were less detailed, but other depressed people have told me of exactly the very vivid scenarios you're describing.

Completely agree with madmouse that your GP just hasn't had people discussing it in front of him, and that a referral to a specialist might be very useful for you. Or might not be, but why not give it a try? They can maybe offer strategies for dealing with the thoughts themselves.

Also agree strongly with your comments about change in medication, although I'm not sure if that's still anecdotal. (It's difficult to get hold of good data, as the drug companies haven't exactly rushed to identify increased suicidal thoughts as a side effect.)

Sorry you're going through this, by the way.

Chocattack Tue 03-May-11 22:34:37

"...can one have suicidal thoughts without being actively suicidal?"

Yes definitely, I assume you are equating actively suicidal with a suicide attempt.

With regards to your GP, are you saying that he has never heard anyone say that they do not want to die and aren't unhappy but have regular suicidal thoughts? For me personally, when I'm experiencing regular suicidal thoughts I am unhappy and do want to die - which is perfectly normal for depression. Sorry if I've misunderstood your post. confused

Kallista Tue 10-May-11 00:28:52

When i had OCD i would get intrusive thoughts that would tell me to harm myself or others. I didn't want to hurt anyone - it's the last thing in the world i would do. OCD can be triggered by anxiety and intrusive thoughts or fears are often present - without carrying out rituals. What helped me was telling myself that it was just anxiety causing the thoughts. I would distract myself and finally overcame the OCD myself.
I know CBT and meds can help. You need to look at the cause of any anxiety too.
GPs don't have a lot of MH knowledge - but you can request a psych referral.
To put your mind at rest i have been properly suicidal due to BPD mood swings and depression, and it is very different.
Good luck OP + hope you recover soon.

Keziahhopes Tue 10-May-11 13:43:08

Hi, can totally agree with what you said. It may be medication related, but that would be when recently starting a new medication - so perhaps see a psychiatrist for getting medication right would be helpful. However it can be a sign that you are not doing so well - so if the Dr wants to refer you on, that is great you might get specific help (you never know!!) - however I can't believe he has never had a patient present with your issue, but Gp's are not mental health experts.

Does anything help relieve the thoughts - like keeping busy (well that is what I do), being kind to you (self soothing?) xx

NanaNina Tue 10-May-11 19:45:20

I think that suicidal thoughts are a major symptom of depression. If they aren't why does the GP ask us about this as one of the questions they use for diagnosis of depression. I have certainly had them over the last year when struggling to recover from a major episode of depression last Easter. I have thought of over dosing, drowning and jumping from a high building. Deep down I have known that I am not going to do any of these things. I think it's caled suicide ideation. I certainly wouldn't trust any GP who said they'd never heard of it - bit like saying they've never heard of a patient with bronchitis having breathing difficulties.

Lottieloulou Wed 07-Sep-11 18:52:02

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fit2drop Wed 07-Sep-11 19:09:56

Not all depressed people are suicidal
not all suicidal people are depressed

NanaNina the GP would ask that as a matter of course but even if there was no suicidal ideation would not necessarily discount depression

Crisis team would usually ask someone that presents as suicidal or depressed if they had any active plan to kill themselves and if the answer is yes would talk through what the plan is.

Most people that are suicidal do not want to die, they just want " out " of a situation they are probably overwhelmed by. The situation not necessarily being ongoing, it could be historical.

Its far too complex a subject to discuss on a forum and quite dangerous
The best advise anyone can give regarding someone who believes they have MH problems or are feeling suicidal is to seek help from the local mental health crisis team who are qualified to know the best way to respond. If the person does not want health workers involved then the next best advise would be the Samaritans .

Lottieloulou Wed 07-Sep-11 19:11:38

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fit2drop Wed 07-Sep-11 19:12:02

ooops should have said then the next best advise would be the Samaritans if the person did not want family involved

CharlieBoo Wed 07-Sep-11 20:47:13

They are called intrusive thoughts caused by OCD. Look it up. I had these a couple of months ago but mine were about hurting myself and others which was so far from what I wanted to do. It's your mind playing tricks on you. The thought enters your head, you panic, you get a surge in adrenalin and feels sick. You try everything to get rid of these thoughts but they keep coming. It's because they scare you. They are JUST thoughts. Let them enter your mind, spend a few seconds looking at them and let them go. When they don't scare you, you won't get them... I promise you!!!

ThatsNotYours Wed 07-Sep-11 21:20:07

OP. Yes, you can have 'thoughts' without actually wanting to do it / will physically enact.

'Suicidal ideation' is common for even those that don't have a "mental health" issues and well recognised as such.

Perfectly "normal" people also do this, and indulge in the the 'what if' scenario.

Importantly: Suicidal Ideation does NOT always = Suicide

Suggest you discuss with GP, as is a very common. X

Lottieloulou Wed 07-Sep-11 22:16:17

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