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The 5:2 thread number 27 - Season of fasts and mellow rumblingness (with apologies to Keats)

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BetsyBell Thu 19-Sep-13 16:58:47

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through our very own fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 16:21:48

Woohoo good loss NotAsTired and have a wonderful birthday weekend smile

BetsyBell Fri 20-Sep-13 17:04:20

headintheclouds I'm there too - body has periods (not totm ones though) when I just seem to hold on to every last ounce. Luckily the fasting is keeping anything too horrendous at bay! I also know I could be doing more to curb it so if it gets out of hand I will.

I still look fine and feel great so I'm not worrying much about the scales. I know that when I start losing again it will come easily so no point fighting the natural fluctuations too hard.

Healthy lower weight is what we're after eh eatsriskier? I'm been slimmer than this before but I got it via a long period of illness so felt weak and pathetic. So YAY for getting there healthily and sustainably :D

BetsyBell Fri 20-Sep-13 17:08:19

Notastired Ooh fabulous! Please let us know about your michelin star experience, I want to vicariously drool at your meal grin

wrigglebum Fri 20-Sep-13 18:07:15

Notastired- I think the large adult weighted hoops are supposed to be a lot easier to keep up, so you might be able to. Do Argos still do their 16 day guarantee? If so you could always return it if it doesn't work for you. I still haven't got mine yet, will try to get one this weekend as I'm still struggling along with the little one.

thinkcan Fri 20-Sep-13 18:33:23

Helles I usually just boil a cup of dhall in 4 cups of water with some salt, half a teasp of turmeric powder and a couple of crushed garlic cloves. In a separate pan, I heat up some mustard seeds in oil until they pop, add sliced shallots and cumin powder and when the mixture is brown, add it to the cooked dhall. I learned this from my Indian friends who all seem to be fabulous cooks. You may want to check the Internet for more detailed recipes. I think there's lots of ways to vary the flavor of dhall.

thinkcan Fri 20-Sep-13 18:53:56

Notastired I bought a weighted hoop for my sister a couple of months ago and even though she is in her sixties and has hardly ever exercised her entire life, she has managed to learn to hula hoop. So I am sure you will be able to do it. These new weighted hoops are much easier to use than the ones kids play with. Just make sure you do your research (lots of information available on the Internet) on what size and weight to get.

janey1234 Fri 20-Sep-13 19:06:28

Hi all

Hope you don't mind me barging in...

I'm contemplating doing the 5:2 diet, having had a baby 12 weeks ago today. Does anyone know if you're able to do it whilst breast feeding? I need to do something about my weight, especially as I need to go wedding dress shopping in January... Ideally want to weigh two stone less when I get married, but at 5 foot 11 I'm hoping it won't be too hard.
What kind of weight loss are you all seeing and after how long?

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 19:23:21

Welcome, we don't and yes !
There are other BF Mums on here (and a vicarious BF grandad) ....
If I remember right they tend to work to 750 calories on a fast rather than 500 - but the babies don't seem to notice which day it is!

Have a read through the tips and hints : the amount of weight you lose is dependent on so many variables
but 1-1.5 lb a week is a fair target
and then it stays off

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 20-Sep-13 19:39:27

Thanks ThinkCan the problem is there are too many recipes on the internet! I'll start with yours and play around til I have my own recipe - thank you. It's quite a long initial cook on the daal though? An hour or so?

BsshBossh Fri 20-Sep-13 19:47:43

Helles I make red lentil dal each week to accompany curries. Red lentils take 30 mins to cook - so quick. My way is to heat up a teaspoon each of ground cumin, ground coriander and turmeric in oil then stir in washed and rinsed red lentils (about 3 or 4 big handfulls) then cover with water - say 3 inches on top, add teaspoon of salt then bring to boil and simmer for half an hour. Job done, all in one pot. It's very basic but so easy and delicious. You can also just use any curry powder you have kicking around.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 20-Sep-13 20:27:15

Thanks BsshBoshh - I will report back on the outcomes!!

MissStrawberry Fri 20-Sep-13 21:25:28

You need to be my alibis when I kill DH later. I may have PMT and he is pissing me off. Ate 2 bags of monster munch about 5 minutes ago. In the kitchen eating again. I am not feeling the love for him tonight. Had a shitty day thanks to various things and now he is pissing me off too.

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 21:29:07

Count to ten
put the crisps away - they will just make you feel worse in the morning
go and walk around the garden and count to 100
then come back and tell us how much better you feel
food will not do that
taking control will

MissStrawberry Fri 20-Sep-13 21:33:46

HE's the one eating the damn crisps. I am being good.
My cycle is all over the bloody place and it is making me feel like I want everyone to fuck off and leave me alone.

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 21:37:52

Oh that's easier then.
Bag of monster munch on kitchen floor
jump on it
leave mess
go walk round garden for count of 200
he'll still be slack jawed when you walk back in singing

MissStrawberry Fri 20-Sep-13 21:42:41

Hormones suck.

AngieM2 Fri 20-Sep-13 21:58:06

Checking in. 10.7 this morning following a brilliant FD and brilliant FD yesterday. Holiday gain gone. Aiming for 10st 3 weeks time so really need to focus! Wish me luck.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Fri 20-Sep-13 22:41:20

Yes they do MissS!

Talkinpeace Fri 20-Sep-13 23:08:11

Angie Well done .... you'll get there

MissS You count very slowly wink

whimsicalname Sat 21-Sep-13 02:13:00

Right, let's see if I can make a sensible post this time! Had a really good fd, including getting my hair cut which was fun. I haven't managed any exercise, which is a shame, and I blame the lack of breakfast for taking my boy to preschool without shoes!

MissS, my husband eats lunch in restaurants for work every day. On fds he isn't allowed to tell me about it tho! You've done well not to eat him!

MissStrawberry Sat 21-Sep-13 07:42:53

Good luck AngieM and well done flowers

I didn't count. Sorry sad.

I had words with him and made him say sorry. I dreamt I was 11 stone 7 so was annoyed when I realised it was a dream and not real. I weigh on a Saturday and it came up really quickly. 11 stone 7.4lbs shock. That is 4.4lbs off in a week and 11lbs in total since I started. Really pleased but more pleased that when I had 2 bites of purely medicinal snickers last night I didn't feel guilty or a failure for eating.

Busy day. DD has 11+ which DH will take her too. DS2 has an osteopathy appointment which I will take him too. I doubt we will see DS1 unless he is hungry or we cut his internet access off. I have onion bread in the bread maker. Making sausage rolls from scratch for the kids for tea and then a lamb, mint and tomato bake for dinner for us all. Really looking forward to that as I love lamb and we don't have it often. I will have to be even more ingenious than I usually am with feeding us all this week as I have £16 until payday but luckily a lot of food in. It has been an incredibly expensive month as tonnes of extras.

£99 for Guinea Pig to be put to sleep.
£200 nearly on 4 pairs of shoes for DD and DS2
£180 for podiatry appointments.
£70 on osteopathy appointments.
£36 for other Guinea Pig to be seen.

And that is all I can remember.

I spend all my money on food and I am going to run it all right down I think as it is ridiculous to think I can't buy a coat for the winter but there is enough food in for weeks.

frenchfancy Sat 21-Sep-13 08:14:23

shock £135 on guinea pig maintenance shock I hope none of mine get poorly. (Well I think one is pregnant but we all know that isn't an illness right?)

I'm sure you will be able to make the food last til payday with an attitude like yours. I'm 2.5 weeks in since my last food shop, I need to last until monday. I've run out of spuds, but I've got carrots in the garden and chips in the freezer. I'm going to make a pie out of some pig cheeks I've got in the freezer for tonight, then stew and dumplings tomorrow.

I'll need my fast day on Monday to recover from the stodge.

MissStrawberry Sat 21-Sep-13 09:02:46

The kids will have to be less fussy and we will be fine. My eldest once moaned I had given them jacket potato twice in one week angry. Unheard of in my house as they don't even get the same thing twice a fortnight/month in some cases.

JB30 Sat 21-Sep-13 10:37:20

Helles thanks for pointing me in direction. I had posted the other evening not realising a new thread was afoot!
Had pig out last night but when I got dressed this morning, I realised how nice my jeans look with my stone off and was freshly invigorated to get my act together! And that 1 bad eating day doesn't make a bad eating week. I reckon I may have gain .5- 1 pound on but I'm not obsessing or going to scale hop until I've another couple of days on track. To be fair I wasn't that far off during the week, just a couple of hiccups.
Feeling a bit poorly, like I'm coming down with a chest thing and I have dd's birthday party today - roll on 5pm when I can collapse! Hope you're all having a lovely Saturday

BsshBossh Sat 21-Sep-13 14:21:44

Angie and MissS terrific losses! Well done.

2nd NFD today. Woke up this morning feeling stuffed so skipped breakfast. But when I looked back to last night's meal to start feeling mad with myself I realised I'd overeaten.... wait for it... mash and vegetables! That made me laugh. Yes, I'd eaten too much of it, but hey... it was only veg. Now, overeating anything is rubbish and I need to be more mindfull of this, but... grin.

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