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The 5:2 thread number 27 - Season of fasts and mellow rumblingness (with apologies to Keats)

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BetsyBell Thu 19-Sep-13 16:58:47

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through our very own fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

southeastdweller Thu 19-Sep-13 17:04:05

And boom!

Thanks Betsy.

SchrodingersFanny Thu 19-Sep-13 17:15:53

Yay! My first full thread.

FD for me today and it has been fine, easy even! Much better than last week! Although when opening a chocolate bar for ds I had to seriously resist the temptation to lick it!

And,my FOOT IS HEALED! So today I did the 30 day shred. I know, on a fast day. It felt awesome.

And now I'm all high and giddy with endorphins. Breaking fast tonight with good old veg and lentil stew from slow cooker.

BsshBossh Thu 19-Sep-13 17:27:21

thanks as ever Betsy and fab thread title.

Well, I've overcome the FD late afternoon slump. Now I know I can make it to dinner. See you all on "the other side" smile

wrigglebum Thu 19-Sep-13 17:32:04

Just checking in

BetsyBell Thu 19-Sep-13 17:33:42

Well done Bssh. I've wasted a load of my fast day calories on some stupid biscuits, pointless boredom snacking while I was waiting for a child to finish an after school club activity.

Ah well, my small healthy dinner will be a bit smaller now!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 17:35:10

Checking in smile

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 17:39:28

Just in case I'm not the only philistine to be all hmm or confused at the new thread title blush


Talkinpeace Thu 19-Sep-13 18:00:52

yee hah - been here since thread 3 - still fasting :-)

MissStrawberry Thu 19-Sep-13 18:00:58

Hello to our new thread grin.

Thanks to TIP the children have happily just tucked into beef burgers. They are blinking carnivores!

Sophiste Thu 19-Sep-13 18:01:56

Hi everyone - it's about time I introduced myself to what seems a really supportive group. I've been lurking for a little while, picking up lots of useful tips.

I started 5:2, with the occasional 4:3, on 3rd August and (strangely you may think) didn't weigh myself at the beginning. I got around to purchasing some scales on 7th September so that will be my first reference point against which to measure progress. I think this will work best for me (psychologically) if I don't weigh too often and don't get too hung up on weight loss but think of it, when it happens, as a welcome side-effect of a healthy approach to food. I do need to lose it (BMI is 31) but risk falling off the wagon if I think of myself as being "on a diet".

Anyway, all seems to be going well so far. FDs surprisingly easy, NFDs I am settling in to (temptation is to undereat - my appetite seems reduced). Watch strap looser, bra strap looser, long boots looser on the calf, lots of compliments at work as to how "well" I look after the summer break. As a long-term IBS sufferer I am delighted also with a dramatic reduction in cramping & bloating.

Looking forward to learning from you all and getting to my first mini-target, which is to get BMI under the dreaded

MissStrawberry Thu 19-Sep-13 18:04:53

I am getting with the I need to eat my calorie total and feeling like I wanted a boost after my awful morning I had a snicker this afternoon but only ate half of it and put the rest back! I enjoyed what I had and really glad I didn't just blinding eat the whole thing. Even after inputting the burger and one bread roll I still have over 700 calories left shock.

MelanieCheeks Thu 19-Sep-13 18:09:22

Well done MissS!

Just had my prosciutto-wrapped scallops - my they were good!

eatriskier Thu 19-Sep-13 18:13:46

How's everyone doing today? Have successfully fasted so far as have been too busy to do anything else. Waiting for kids to go to bed then I'm getting my food on. Wedding photos came today, and busily making albums and the like.

Dotty342kids Thu 19-Sep-13 18:16:04

Well done Bssbossh, never easy to get through the 4-6pm slot. I've just had my soup and now I'm going to light the fire, yay!
Welcome sophiste. Great to hear about the IBS, we do sometimes lose sight of the health benefits of this as we get so carried away with the weight loss aspects of it!

SchrodingersFanny Thu 19-Sep-13 18:23:04

Today is the first fast day that I have experienced the clear headed feeling. I think the exercise helped. I'm a bit disappointed to see that shredding only burns me 200 calories. I know it does more good than that, but seriously it hurts! For 200 calories! That isn't even a piece of good cake smile

MissStrawberry Thu 19-Sep-13 18:34:16

Prosciutto-wrapped scallops sound divine. I once did cod wrapped with parma ham and I liked that. Meat and fish together sounds wrong but tastes lovely.

I like the ready cooked fish in those annoying plastic contraptions but got put off when I got loads of bones in one.

SchrodingersFanny Thu 19-Sep-13 18:42:46

That all sounds lovely. I have mostly eastern eggs or vegetables on FDs! Maybe I should be more adventurous!

peplum41 Thu 19-Sep-13 18:43:41

New thread thrills! Thanks betsy

Hi sophiste, well done, admire any one with the pability to not weigh themselves like a sad addiction. I've had to take the battery out of mine and put it awkward cupboard downstairs. It is easier to stick to when you feel as though you're doing for health reasons. As soon as the word diet is mentioned I feel deprived.

eats how you liking your wedding photos?

Pat on shoulder for missstrawberry. Once I've started a snickers I have to finish the job. Such will power. Now enjoy a full fat weekend.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 19:00:54

There were a couple of us talking typing about ibs a couple of threads ago Sophiste. I agree - far less bloating, far less wind, far less pain grin

AliBaba you nutter - only the inventor of the slow cooker would have the potential to be even mildly miffed by your preferring stove-top food rather than slow-cooker!!

Ill again sad tracheitis which is pretty much the most hideous short-term illness and only children are supposed to get it - I'm 35 confused So eating when I feel able focussing on protein, fruit and veg for repair.

NotAsTired Thu 19-Sep-13 19:54:10

Thanks, Betsy% thanks

eatriskier Thu 19-Sep-13 20:30:55

peplum they're lovely but there's so many of them with us kissing even I got bored of it. As unromantic as I may sound, the photographer kept telling us to rather than us being overcome with it on the day!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Thu 19-Sep-13 20:55:23

Looking at the many wedding photo's of friends and family, I prefer non-kissing pictures so I'm in full agreement with you EatRiskier. I particularly like the 'loving gaze', the 'shared smile' and the 'gaze into the future'.

BsshBossh Thu 19-Sep-13 21:13:48

Another successful FD over. Can safely say that after the 6 week school summer holiday & fasting break, I'm safely back in the 5:2 saddle. Yeehaar!

peplum41 Thu 19-Sep-13 21:23:21

helles ooh that trachitis sounds grim, I've had a cold all week so throats sore, can sort of sympathise. Only sort of though I'm sure.

Seeing as you're now "normal" bmi, do you think its reflected in your photos? I was size 8 first wed, squashed into size 14, and in denial, on my second, also plastered in fake tan. We didn't have a photographer, and we are looking at the wrong camera in every shot! At least I got the choice of hubbie right 2nd time round.

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