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Grade 5 Theory question

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OldBeanbagz Tue 04-Feb-14 09:15:38

DD is doing Trinty and is thinking of switching to ABRSM for her next Grade (5) which i understand means she'll have to do Grade 5 Theory too.

My question - will she have do do the Theory exam for both her instruments or is Grade 5 Theory just one exam?

Seeline Tue 04-Feb-14 09:22:45

I'm pretty sure GRade 5 theory is just that - music theory for everything, so just 1 exam.
I'm out of date, but you used to be able to do Grade 5 practical without the theory - that was needed to progress further (which is why I stopped at 5 grin )

goshhhhhh Tue 04-Feb-14 09:32:55

It is just one exam. It is worth doing as it really helps the practical & gives a firmer foundation.

Picturesinthefirelight Tue 04-Feb-14 09:34:49

It's just 1 exam. You can do grade 5 practical without having done theory, just not grade 6

An alternative is you can do grade 5 practical musicianship instead which may be more like the trinity viva.

Theas18 Tue 04-Feb-14 09:36:26

Grade 5 theory is 1 exam and covers everything.

NB both trinity AND ABRSM grade 5 theory is acceptable by BOTH boards so have a look and see which syllabus suits your child better- DD2 found trinity really easy.

titchy Tue 04-Feb-14 09:40:11

As others have said it's one exam, she'll need it to do Grade 6 and above though, not grade 5.

Most kids switch from ABRSM to Trinity at this level - not the other way round!!!!

DeWe Tue 04-Feb-14 09:46:58

You need grade 5 theory for grade 6. So she can do the grade 5 before the theory. You don't need any other theory exams.

OldBeanbagz Tue 04-Feb-14 09:55:35

Thanks for all your replies, it's good to know she'll only have to do it the once.

The switching to ABRSM is so that she could do the exams in school rather than at a different venue. Since i work full time it would be a huge advantage.

Her teacher is happy for her to do either.

KatyMac Tue 04-Feb-14 09:57:28

Sorry small hijack

How does Grade 5 Theory compare to GCSE music - is it worth doing both if you don't play an instrument?

Theas18 Tue 04-Feb-14 10:29:50

Absolutely worth doing grade 5 theory to support GCSE music if you are taking it. I believe UCAS points are allocated too but not many places actuallycount them up like this now.

KatyMac Tue 04-Feb-14 10:33:36

She has her music already - but she might need UCAS points

Picturesinthefirelight Tue 04-Feb-14 10:59:35

In the "old days" grade 5 theory & practical used to he able to be used instead of GCSE music.

It's still a level 2 qualification so Uncas points are only really relevant at level 3

titchy Tue 04-Feb-14 12:47:54

You don't get UCAS points for Grade 5 anything, only Grade 6 and higher.

circular Tue 04-Feb-14 13:17:48

Music theory grades carry far less UCAS points than practical KatyMac.
If your DD has done GCSE Music but doesn't play an instrument presumably she sings? Does she take grades?
IF you need the points, a G6 practical pass carries 25, whereas a G6 theory pass only 5 UCAS points.

KatyMac Tue 04-Feb-14 13:54:22

She doesn't do grades but if she doesn't get in this year she might have to.....but she might need all the points she can get wink

Ah well fingers crossed she will get funding this year

MiddleAgeMiddleEngland Tue 04-Feb-14 22:10:17

If she plays a relevant instrument, she can do jazz grade 5 instead of theory or practical musicianship. Without checking the list, I know piano, flute, clarinet and saxophone are available, probably others.

It's really worth doing Grade 5 theory, though, and not very hard for someone who has is at that practical level and who has been taught properly - with theory integrated into the instrumental lessons.

JulieMichelleRobinson Tue 04-Feb-14 22:48:40

Does anyone really look at UCAS points? Because... I mean... I'm nearly 30 but technically young enough that they used the points system... only they still only looked at your best 3 A-level scores.

If you don't want to do theory, the other options are jazz syllabus (piano, winds, brass), general musicianship exams, or using an exam board that doesn't require theory as a prerequisite for higher exams.

KatyMac Wed 05-Feb-14 08:13:42

DD isn't doing A levels - so if she fails to get funding for the next 2 years, she will apply for a degree course which does take UCAS points. So if she adds her dance points, Music Theory points, maybe singing points & Arts Award points she might just have enough maybe

But it's worth thinking about

DeWe Wed 05-Feb-14 11:36:23

I would suspect that you would either use points from GCSE music or from the theory test. I would check before you look at getting her to sit it that isn't the case.

titchy Wed 05-Feb-14 11:52:40

GCSE Music and anything less than Grade 6 do NOT carry UCAS points!!!!!

Picturesinthefirelight Wed 05-Feb-14 12:12:17


Picturesinthefirelight Wed 05-Feb-14 12:13:05

I think the confusion is that they carry credits on the QCF framework (but only level 3 credits translate to Ucas points)

JulieMichelleRobinson Wed 05-Feb-14 12:48:33

Arts award counts. She could look into one of the Rockschool diplomas or something? It would be practical (singing) plus things like gig promotion etc. which are useful skills to develop? But only if it fits her style.

KatyMac Wed 05-Feb-14 16:59:01

I feel bad that this has taken over OldBeanbagz's thread.

I just assumed Grade 5 might be a place to start - in order for her to get enough she would need mega dance exams, Gold Arts Award & mega Music Theory/singing exams and it's probably not practical

But thanks for all the lovely info

OldBeanbagz Thu 06-Feb-14 08:46:30

That's ok KatyMac, i got the answer to the question i initially posted.

Is Trinity generally considered easier than ABRSM? Is that why kids switch?

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