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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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ListeningQuietly · 31/01/2021 14:03

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DGRossetti · 31/01/2021 14:06

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HappyWinter · 31/01/2021 14:11

Thanks for the new thread Red.

Yes, I also think it will be a big job to keep track of who had which vaccination and when, to deal with any fading immunity if that is a problem DGRossetti.

Gronky Thank you for the vaccination information.

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prettybird · 31/01/2021 14:23

Stressed out cats (Frasier & Niles with their beloved toy Daphne Wink)

I came across a Facebook memory from 4 years ago. The sad thing is that 4 years ago, you'd react with a Shock and Angry to Breaking News: now it's just weary resignation Sad

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borntobequiet · 31/01/2021 14:54

Thanks once again Red and all.
A pic from a few days ago. Not so nice today! My window needs cleaning.

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Peregrina · 31/01/2021 15:14

The vaccine situation shows that an all Ireland strategy is needed. This goes for all countries which share one island.

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GeistohneGrenzen · 31/01/2021 15:20

pmk and thanks all!

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Peregrina · 31/01/2021 15:21

Federal UK Too late? I suspect so, but it may well depend on how the elections to Holyrood go.

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Bee0808 · 31/01/2021 15:26

Pmk

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Gronky · 31/01/2021 15:33

Food for thought ...

I'm afraid, DGRossetti this 'quote' has all the nutritional value of a wax apple. If nothing else, Macaulay was in India when he was supposed to have addressed parliament.

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Gronky · 31/01/2021 15:38

You're welcome, HappyWinter. In terms of keeping track of who has had which vaccine, I haven't personally had this one but, when I have had other vaccines in the past, the batch numbers were noted on my medical records. When I've had vaccines for travel, the batch number was also noted on my travel documentation. Perhaps someone who's had the vaccine could clarify whether they remember the batch number being recorded.

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pointythings · 31/01/2021 15:44

On tracking the vaccinated: there is a national database. It's called NIVS, and all immunisations, COVID included, are supposed to be entered on it. Some issues we have encountered:

Licensing: Licenses to access it are held by Primary Care Networks; they are very reluctant to grant access outside their own organisation. This makes it difficult for community Trusts like mine, who have been doing vaccinations for the housebound, to maintain records. This issue is a direct consequence of Andrew Lansley's reforms.

Agile working: NIVS isn't agile. People working outside sites where NIVS is installed need to return to site and do bulk uploads. There's a significant staffing implication and potential for things to get left undone.

Identification: If you don't have an NHS number for someone, NIVS is supposed to find it when the data is uploaded. There's considerable potential for error here given data quality in the NHS.

It's all a bit scary.

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Gronky · 31/01/2021 15:46

Thank you, pointythings.

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derxa · 31/01/2021 15:48

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mrslaughan · 31/01/2021 15:55
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TheABC · 31/01/2021 16:22

@Peregrina, federal recommendations may have worked four years ago. As for now...well, the SNP look set to sweep the board at the local elections and Johnson seems determined to help them. Why would they agreed to devo-max, when they can get everything they ever wanted with another referendum?

Going back to the Brexut question, there's going to be a massive climbdown by HMG at some point - but not before irreversible damage is done to all our major industries. The bright spot is the amount of ear-bending our top echelons will get by the racing industry about livestock restrictions at the Cheltenham.

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DGRossetti · 31/01/2021 16:23

[quote mrslaughan]I mean seriously

twitter.com/dimitriosgian/status/1355502687987621890?s=21[/quote]
Reversing the mirror, it'll be interesting the reception Brits get if international travel ever resumes.

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TatianaBis · 31/01/2021 16:28
Gin
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HoneysuckIejasmine · 31/01/2021 16:39

Pmk thanks

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Peregrina · 31/01/2021 16:41

It just seems stupid to want to be part of a Trans Pacific Partnership when there are so many problems much nearer to home caused by Johnson's bad deal.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 16:49

If you go to the USA thats something you should be aware of already.

I've been asked pretty much that exact question about the purpose of my visit before now. I was travelling alone to visit an old friend who moved there and another friend I met in Australia. The border guard clearly wasn't convinced by inital answer and tbh was a bit of a creep and it felt like it bordered on harassment tbh.

During my trip I popped up to Vancouver for a couple of days (again by myself before returning to friends). I got a bit of similar hassle (minus the creepy bit) on the way back.

I can't say its a huge surprise that the UK border force are being shitty about it. Whats shocking is the 7 day detention rather than just deportation. I would argue its unlawful detention.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 16:50

@Peregrina

It just seems stupid to want to be part of a Trans Pacific Partnership when there are so many problems much nearer to home caused by Johnson's bad deal.

What soverignty are we giving up?
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HannibalHayes · 31/01/2021 17:02

If only there was a similar union of nations that was a bit closer to us...

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TatianaBis · 31/01/2021 17:09

To save us substantial transport costs...

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