Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

[BigChocFrenzy]

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

[OhLookHeKickedTheBall]

Thanks bigchoc

[Basilpots]

Thanks BCF.

[SistemaAddict]

I think only Carrie is the only one who wants one from him 🤮

[BigChocFrenzy]

Election pact between Johnson and Farage edges closer

Or..... how Tory party policy is decided

It's all about getting hedge-fund donors to pay for a GE
They need to know they'll be getting their windfalls - from betting against Sterling and Uk business - after No Deal

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

Channels opened between Downing Street and the Brexit Party.

Arron Banks prepared to donate substantial funds to Tories if a pact with Farage put in place
.......
As well as agreeing a strategy for Brexit and Tory party candidates not to challenge each other in critical marginal seats,

a pact could also free up needed donor cash to fund the expected £20 million the Conservatives believe is needed to deliver a successful election campaign.

The party spent £18.5m in 2017 and failed to secure a majority.
....
One Brexit Party source said:

“We know support from some of the biggest donors is being put on hold.
Some big backers who have funded the Brexit and Conservative parties, want a deal to secure Brexit.

This is money the Tories need to fight a winning election campaign.
And it’s on hold till a formal pact is agreed.

[bellinisurge]

Thank you for stepping in. The idea of him stewing in his own juice over the weekend [shudders] is an interesting strategy.
There is a UK petition for No Deal ongoing. Just to warn you.

[BlackeyedGruesome]

Thanks big choc. There was bleary eyed headscratching trying to find the latest thread.

[NotaRealLawyer]

Looking in. Thank you for the excellent summary.

[QuentinWinters]

Someone on the last thread was asking what Philip Hammond would do
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49618242

Burn his bridges is what!

[mummmy2017]

And should Boris have to go , to the Electorate it is yet more of Parliament not caring what we vote for Corbyn can never win, what ever he does he strengths the leave vote

[OublietteBravo]

PMK. Off to find coffee ☕️

[Horehound]

Pmk

[JustAnotherPoster00]

PMK

Thanks BCF, I'm donning my hard hat for our new friends, I went to bed and caught up this morning, some of them are delusional af, and a part of me wonders if MN is actually targeted by CCHQ or BXP

[JustAnotherPoster00]

A lot of younger Labour voters want to co-opt the JFC stickers for the Corbyn campaign and are trying to get #JeremyFuckingCorbyn trending

[BigChocFrenzy]

smile We get targetted whenever the hedge-funders fear tear their future windfalls slipping away
Only No Deal gives them the real loot

A compromise of some sort would benefit the rest of us though
and start to heal the country

[CurlyWurlyTwirly]

Thanks BCF
Looking forward to the JFC stickers.
Perhaps the youngsters will be the deciding factor in voting in Labour

[BigChocFrenzy]

From that Beeb article, Liddington also chiming in

• I wonder how much May, his former boss, uses him to say things she doesn't want to herself, being BJ's predecessor 🤔
  

'David Lidington, Theresa May's former de facto deputy prime minister
.... told BBC Radio 4's Today programme:

"The government is bound by the words of any statute that has been duly enacted by the Queen in Parliament, which is a fundamental principle of our constitution and our ministerial code.

"Defying any law sets a really dangerous precedent. < certainly as PM >

"If you do something in government you need to think:
'would I be happy if the other lot were in power and they did this to me?'

- and if you wouldn't be happy with that, then it's a very good warning signal."'

[prettybird]

Cute picture of the boys as kittens to mark my place. Nice and calming

I think we need to take the revived interest and renewed contributions to these threads as a compliment and evidence that certain of the Hard/No Deal Brexiters are rattled

[Cwenthryth]

Catching up with the last thread, about Labour’s confusing position

Labour need to state exactly what their Brexit plans would be, taking into account what we all now know is and isn’t possible,then people can decide whether to support that

Labour is in a pickle. Whenever Labour MPs are asked on Question Time what is Labour's Brexit policy there is never an answer.

Link to video shared on Twitter of Emily Thornberry on Question Time explaining Labour’s plan
I can’t see who would vote for this mixed up thinking. Perhaps there is such a thing as a politician being too honest.

[BigChocFrenzy]

People vote against "the other lot" as much as they vote for something, sometimes more so.

[TheMShip]

But surely it's an own goal for the Tories to allow somebody else to 'deliver Brexit' (I hate that phrase!)? How do they spin stepping aside as they couldn't do it, only for it to happen as soon as they're not in charge?

Imagine the optics: Boris quits, refusing to write extension request. Corbyn led temp govt passes WA then goes for GE, campaigning on Boris is a quitter, we delivered Brexit, with intention of CU+SM if elected.

[Grinchly]

A good nickname for Johnson, I think, would be Trump Minor

[DadDadDad]

What would be the process if Boris did break the law? Presumably the bill (soon to be Act) didn't set out the nature of any penalty on the government, so would a judge have to fall back on something regarding abuse of office and rule that the PM must step down or face contempt of court?

[RedToothBrush]

Thanks BCF.

Awesome OP.