Food and fuel shortages and a hard border with Ireland are apparently the 'most likely' consequences of brexit

[StealthPolarBear]

Sunday bloody Sunday is on the radio. Maybe they'll re release it in honour of brexit.
Any of the people who guffawed and rolled their eyes at the 'panic' want to say how they're feeling now?

[StealthPolarBear]

This is a very convenient leak. I hope it focuses some minds.

[StealthPolarBear]

We eat and drink while tomorrow they die

But it will all be fine. After all we survived two world wars didn't we.

Apart from those of us who didn't, obviously

[Mistigri]

Pic for the doubters

This leak explains the current government state of panic and the ridiculous finger pointing over the last few days.

[Heatherjayne1972]

But we’re not at war

We’ve done this to ourselves and it is totally unnecessary

[Scotlass123]

Likely, not definite

[StealthPolarBear]

True. If I stand on train tracks for an hour it's likely not definite I'll die. I'd be a fucking fool to do it.

[Mamamia456]

Couldn't click on your link, but found the article you were referring to. The important words to remember are could and may. So that means something could happen but then again could not happen. Same with the word may, something may happen or it may not happen. Nothing definite.

I may go on holiday next year but then again I may not. Nothing definite.

[StealthPolarBear]

No the important words are most likely

[StealthPolarBear]

If I stand on those train tracks I may get hit by a train. Only 'may'.

[TellMeHowToFeel]

Is that article readable anywhere without paying for a Times online subscription?

[CherryPavlova]

We just need to pull together and shout jingoistic slogans. We can use camp coffee instead of stockings agin. It will be such fun gathering around a lamb dripping candle remembering shops.

It’s walking off a cliff, undermining peace and stability and sheer selfishness by some extraordinarily wealthy and self serving politicians.

[Mistigri]

Is that article readable anywhere without paying for a Times online subscription?

If you go on twitter the Sunday Times feed has a pic of the front page that is readable.

[Mistigri]

could and may.

Utter desperation. No government should be pursuing policy that "could" or "may" lead to these outcomes.

Plus, the Sunday Times leak is apparently about likely outcomes, not the worst case scenario.

[StealthPolarBear]

But while it's not a certainty we'll just deny deny deny

[Mamamia456]

Stealthpolarbear - None of us are guaranteed tomorrow, so I may die tomorrow or I may not, but I certainly don't waste my time worrying about it, and I'm sure neither do you or 99% of the population. Why worry about something that may or may not happen.

[MoggyP]

When younare contingency planning, then the document will of course rad like doom. Because all it is is a list of everything which could go wrong, not a forecast of 'what we think is going to happen' - everyone who has had a business resiliency role knows this (whether they were the person drawing up the plans or the senior management considering the options)

The existence of the plan is in no way a predictor of the likelihood of the events in it. But I can see the attraction in scaremongering from it. This story could just as easily been angled to be about competence in preparations. I guess they thought that wouldn't sell

[CherryPavlova]

Mamamia456. Perhaps because if sufficient people wake up and smell the coffee we can stop the car crash that’s approaching.

[CherryPavlova]

MoggyP No, it’s the likely impact not worst case. It could be much worse, sadly.

[Mistigri]

When younare contingency planning, then the document will of course rad like doom. Because all it is is a list of everything which could go wrong

That's true, of course; it's not guaranteed that all of this will happen.

But even if only some of it happens, the government is in deep shit.

[Mamamia456]

Cherry Pavlova - I don't think you understood my post.

[StealthPolarBear]

Mamamia456 you do know that may or may not doesn't suggest 50% don't you? I worry about things that may not happen all the time, my children getting hit by a car crossing the road, us losing our jobs. If you sail through life not worrying about anything but certainties good for you but you must be surprised very frequently. Very few things are certain to happen.

[Oranginna]

Leaving the EU is a change. Some people like change some people don't. Depending on your personality, you might think that nothing much will change or you will see lots of opportunities or lots of risks.

[Swisskit]

My guess is it's been "leaked" deliberately to terrify everyone. Then they'll come up with Teresa May's offer again and everyone will go for it this time.

[Mamamia456]

Stealthpolarbear - Worrying all the time about things that may or may not happen is not good for your health, so I can understand why reading about what may or may not happen because of Brexit will cause you to worry even more. Perhaps you should avoid these threads and news articles and enjoy life. I mean that genuinely. Life is too short to be constantly worrying.

[lonelyplanetmum]

A senior Whitehall source said:
“ This is not project fear - this is the most realistic assessment of what the public face with no deal. These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios - not the worst case.”

What I'm interested in is whether it's a genuine leak? Is there any chance the 'new' Johnson government has authorised it so that at least we were partially warned?