Healing Divisions

(179 Posts)
Camomila Tue 13-Aug-19 11:35:02

My latest Brexit worry...

If we Brexit, the country is going to be divided, angry, and poorer. But even if we don't, there'll be some angry people.

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Peregrina Mon 19-Aug-19 08:30:50

Although a difference with Trump is that he did win an election, even if not the popular vote. Johnson is heading a Government which didn't win.

It ought to make it easier to dislodge Johnson, but we are now seeing the limits to Parliamentary authority. The Leavers are strangely quiet about this, even though they were big on Sovereignty.

BeardedMum Mon 19-Aug-19 07:56:49

Agree Peregrina. Johnson reminds me so much of Trump. Was it always the case or is he taking lessons.

Peregrina Mon 19-Aug-19 07:36:13

At the moment we have a Government which has absolutely no interest in healing divisions. Look at the way Johnson has treated MPs of his own party who voted for Hunt, never mind looking beyond that to the wider society.

yolofish Mon 19-Aug-19 00:24:32

My family is global - Irish, South American, some in Oz and US. These divisions run pretty bloody deep, and I dont think they will ever be healed - because those who are used to freedom of movement, and who enjoy the fact that pretty much up until now, wherever you live you can be friends with someone who could have come from pretty much anywhere, will not accept what we seem to have become in the UK, and that all our children will no longer have the same opportunities that we did.

MysteryTripAgain Sun 18-Aug-19 15:49:48

Brexit has not happened yet and there is still time for a deal. Other than potentially being able to dodge payment of the £39 Billion (questionable), everyone is a loser.

Divisions will last many years to come. Miners strike was 35 years ago, but still remembered.

GhostofFrankGrimes Sat 17-Aug-19 10:59:55

With the Brexit vote I think the phrase "inconvient truths or comforting lies" applies.

People are caustious when buying a second hand car or buying a house but blase about voting leave and believing people like Johnson and Farage.

MeganBacon Sat 17-Aug-19 10:22:54

I don't blame leavers at all. They were asked a stupid question, then TM triggered A50 without a plan and a large majority in MPs agreed with her. Those are the two big mistakes, made by people whose job it is to know better.

Jason118 Sat 17-Aug-19 08:56:12

Perhaps it's a form of performance
No, just a shit postgrin

TheElementsSong Sat 17-Aug-19 08:44:41

tomtom's "reply" to me 17-Aug-19 08:09:14 is just utterly bizarre confused as it addresses nothing I said in my post. Just, very ironically, a generalised rant against Remainers being the ones causing divisions, because they clocked me as such. And ending with an absolutely delicious bit of victimised hyperbole.

Perhaps it's a form of performance art 🤔

bellinisurge Sat 17-Aug-19 08:39:42

This just popped up on my newsfeed.
From the Independent: "Just 34 per cent of voters want a Halloween no deal if no agreement possible – blowing hole in prime minister’s claim of a mandate"

bellinisurge Sat 17-Aug-19 08:31:51

"Although some remainers on here feel all leave voters should be eradicated, which explains why very few leavers engage in brexit debates"
What a load of silly petulant nonsense.

BeardedMum Sat 17-Aug-19 08:31:23

I also hold the 2016 leave voters responsible because it was plenty of information available then too and liars back then are still lying now.

Mistigri Sat 17-Aug-19 08:21:53

I do hold leave voters entirely responsible for Brexit and everything in its wake. We do know a lot about how it will turn out because we already have that information available to us!

I don't hold 2016 leave voters responsible because they were lied to by criminals.

OTOH I sincerely hope that anyone who still supports a no deal Brexit is first in line for job losses and medicine shortages.

BeardedMum Sat 17-Aug-19 08:12:08

I do hold leave voters entirely responsible for Brexit and everything in its wake. We do know a lot about how it will turn out because we already have that information available to us!

tomtom1999xx Sat 17-Aug-19 08:09:14

Healing divisions is mainly in your court, because you’re the ones who are aggrieved. You’re the ones who need to come to terms with a situation you feel is completely out of your control.
You clearly feel that life will be absolutely terrible for you and the country as a whole and need someone to blame.
Leave voters can not be held personally responsible for how individual remainers cope with the result of a referendum.
Although some remainers on here feel all leave voters should be eradicated, which explains why very few leavers engage in brexit debates.

TheElementsSong Sat 17-Aug-19 07:54:09

It’s not really anything to do with leave voters

Yeah, it's entirely the fault of Remainers or anybody who could possibly have voted Remain, based on which country people's parents shagged in, and on whether people decide to move from the country their parents shagged in, their surnames, on which employers they have worked for, whether they are tourists of particular nationalities, and other characteristics which mean that they are assumed to be inherently dubious.

bellinisurge Sat 17-Aug-19 02:38:34

It's an awful lot to do with Leave voters. Especially those maintaining the fiction that No Deal is fiiiiine. Are you seriously blaming Remain voters for not bending over for this shit @tomtom1999xx . Good luck with that part of your fantasy.

BubblesBuddy Sat 17-Aug-19 02:24:37

What type of person is hit hard by austerity measures and then thinks Leaving the EU will help them? They didn’t really think this. They just gave a big kicking, as they saw it, to Cameron. Instead they have kicked themselves, again!

Jason118 Fri 16-Aug-19 22:11:44

@TemporaryPermanent one is not a representative sample. Let us know when you've done a few thousandsmile

TemporaryPermanent Fri 16-Aug-19 21:58:32

Personally, i had a one night stand with a no-deal Brexiter. He was lovely.


Helmetbymidnight Fri 16-Aug-19 21:44:01

its hard to think of healing while many leavers still don't realise what they've done to their friends, family and country.

KennDodd Fri 16-Aug-19 21:00:12

It’s not really anything to do with leave voters.

Yes it is. They voted to do real damage to people's lives, then get upset about being called names. If their lovely Brexit ends the fragile peace in NI (which large numbers think will be worth it) they will also have blood on their hands, afterall, as they have said so often, they knew what they voted for.

tomtom1999xx Fri 16-Aug-19 20:54:15

There will never be healing because remainers are still too angry about it all. Some of them will never accept brexit, so will carry on being angry about it.
It’s not really anything to do with leave voters.

KennDodd Fri 16-Aug-19 20:48:43

Most Leavers I know personally are nothing but nasty little racist, I don't want to come together with them.

54321go Fri 16-Aug-19 14:51:38

What has not helped is that the UK has deliberately taken a non cop
operative stance when in discussions at the eP for the last 10 years or more. They have deliberately held up or argued against aspects that would improve the running of the EU.
Of course there are some things wrong in the EU, entirely natural when you consider the massive scope from the high production capability of Germany and the poor Eastern European countries only recently free from the USSR and it's influence.
The fact that the UK has been deliberately shitting in the bed is one of the worst aspects.
I voted Remain, but for common decency the UK needs to leave until it gets it's head around a collaborative world. Sadly not available in the current timeframe.
There are of course some 'leavers' who are European, elements from the leave parties in Italy, Spain, France etc. Most of them are not in power.

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