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Sinn Fein(41 Posts)
Can anyone give me any insight into the chances of Sinn Fein MPs taking up their seats at Westminster in an attempt to stop Brexit? I've come across articles as recent as April where they reject the idea. But is this still the case? Even with the real prospect of a hard border between NI and ROI?
@Etino thanks for the film recommendation, I seem to have completely missed that one and it looks very good, I'm going to get hold of it.
Re Sinn Fein seriously I'm sure they're just as gobsmacked as everyone else at watching the Tories and UK politics implode and they'll be playing the long game, this can only be good for them and lead to Irish re-unification surely.
I entirely agree that it is fantasy to expect SF to take their seats in Westminster. Not their circus etc etc.
Sinn Fein aren’t going to save the English from their own self inflicted mess. I’ve heard some ignorant comments from remainers wrt abstentions. It’s akin to leavers ignorance over the border.
Never going to happen. Apart from all the other reasons I believe SF are following the old nationalist belief
“England’s difficulty is Ireland’s opportunity”
@bellinisurge - if there was a majority against no deal before the summer then there still should be now irrespective of SF's seats.
I'm Irish/N Irish not an SF supporter but completely understand their position that they never have/never would take seats in the British parliament and have been elected on that basis.
And more fundamentally - solving the Brexit conundrum (if it ever indeed can be solved) I my view can only be done by the British and not the Irish.
I am not from NI, but I also can’t see why it’s supposedly down to SF to sort out this shitshow they didn’t cause in the first place
There is zero possibility of Sinn Fein taking up their seats. Zero.
It is anathema to then to swear fealty to the queen. Their voters know this.
It will never happen.
@bellinisurge - He has a majority in the House by 1 vote.
It's a very theoretical majority, given they haven't been able to command a majority on any brexit related votes.
SF, like Corbyn want chaos from which they will emerge triumphant. They have no interest in doing anything that is positive for their "constituents " that might also be good for the UK.
Sinn Fein are probably the best hope for women in NI eventually receiving any kind of reproductive rights and agency over their right to choose whether or not to continue with a pregnancy, the SDLP on the other hand give the DUP a run for their money on what they think of women. I'm still surprised at posters who think that the SDLP gaining seats in NI is a positive thing for people who actual live in NI.
@bellinisurge - Sounds like Sinn Fein and I agree on something
Yes. You're a fantastic advocate for that option. It's the only sensible approach given the UK red lines.
Ruling out the possibility they would, it would mean that Boris Johnson would no longer be able to command a majority in the House. He can currently do so courtesy of the confidence and supply arrangement he has with the DUP. They supply votes for the minority Tory government and support the minority Tory government in any no confidence votes. He has a majority in the House by 1 vote.
Excuse my ignorance but what actual difference would SF taking up their seats make in Brexit?
Isn't the issue not that there isn't an organized or effective opposition to brexit in the UK parliament?
Sounds like Sinn Fein and I agree on something @whyamidoingthis
Thank you LazyDaisies. To sum it up the British government and Beleavers are trying to blame the EU, 'remoaners', the Irish government, Sinn Fein....and some leavers on another thread are 'celebrating' leaving on Halloween by dancing on the graves of those made redundant through tarriffs or those who die from medicine shortages....history will be very unkind to them
@Lazydaisies - Interesting that Sinn Féin were the first to propose Sinn Féin a “designated special status” for the North in November 2016.
@bellinisurge - I'm a Catholic with an Irish born mum. I despise SF.
I don't see the relevance of your religion or ethnicity. I'm catholic (well, culturally, at least), I'm Irish. I'm not a fan of Sinn Féin and would never vote for them but I can at least see that they work very hard for their constituents and that they are not availing of the expenses system beyond what is necessary for them to do their work (accommodation and staff). While they don't take their seats, they do engage with the british government and so need a presence in London.
I agree with @Daddybegood 's point that suggesting they should take their seats is an attempt at scapegoating. Quite aside from the fact that they haven't enough seats to make a difference, they are not responsible for this mess. British, not Irish, MPs have caused this mess. They have the numbers to sort it out. Unfortunately, they just won't.
Anyone suggesting that either Sinn Fein take their seats in Westminster or stand down and let others take their seats doesn’t know very much about NI politics or NI in general.
I am no great lover of SF and don’t vote for them but no way would I expect them to do this and their electorate would not support it. This is not their mess to clean up and they would be pilloried by the other side if they attempted to intervene, it would be a no win situation for them.
The DUP on the other hand, now that they can see clearly the damage that No Deal will cause in NI and to the Union, yet they continue to support it, well that really is unforgivable.
I'm a Catholic with an Irish born mum. I despise SF.
Their electorate in NI vote for them precisely because they don't take their seats. Their abstention policy has existed for decades, and to reverse it would fundamentally challenge the party's identity. I'm no great fan of Sinn Fein but some of the posts here (i.e. they're doing it to ensure Brexit happens) are ridiculously simplistic and completely ignore the historical context.
Bellinisurge. I believe that the often spouted claim that Sinn Fein take salaries/expenses etc from Westminster is an untruth peddled by the right wing press with a pro brexit "no surrender" agenda. Please google it.
People saying Sinn Fein should stand down their seats should ask their own Mps to stand down first as it is they, not Sinn Fein that have put us in this mess.
Sinn Fein stood on an abstentionist ticket that was voted in by significant majorities in those constituencies. They have not backtracked nor let their voters down but are now being made a scapegoat by tory/labour voters that somehow they have it in their power to stop brexit.....nope blame the people that voted for this mess and ask them to stop it.
Tbh it sounds like just another ploy to blame NI Irish Catholics and reigniting the bigotry and apartheid attitudes towards them that was so prevalent during the troubles.
I see nobody is calling for the DUP to give up their seats or recalling that Sammy Wilson called for all Catholics civilians in NI to be "expelled, nullified or interned"
But let's all say that it's SinnFeins fault cos they get a United Ireland out of it hmmm..
@bellinisurge - They are happy to take the King's shilling in Westminster expenses.
So? That's perfectly reasonable to allow them to represent their constituents within their parameters. They're a damn site cheaper than the rest of the MPs.
www.sinnfein.ie/contents/16460 details what they take. And yes, I know it's the Sinn Féin website and needs to be taken with the usual grain of salt.
Sinn Féin MPs are denied MP’s salaries from Westminster, £100,000 per annum in Policy Development Grants which is given to political opponents in the SDLP and DUP.
Sinn Féin MPs have not claimed: Overnight allowances of £25.00 per day, The Communications Allowance of £10,000 per MP per annum, Food expenses.
MPs claim: Staff Costs, Additional Accommodation Allowances for their London accommodation
SF want Brexit because they think it will lead to a border poll. And who cares if the Irish economy is fucked in the process.
Tiocfaidh ár lá
(And do you really think those photogenic blondes are really in charge?)
I suspect they see Brexit as the best hope for breaking up the UK and ultimately re-unifying Ireland.
I think this too
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