“Project Fear” ... I’m dumbfound at the ignorance.

[Septemberissue]

I am continually astounded by this government and the Brexiteers who are continually rubbishing claims and predictions by Industry leaders, experts, scientists, doctors and economists and claiming that it is part of the huge conspiracy; “project fear” should it not fit with their prosperous Eden that is post brexit Britain.

For example, Mark Carney said that the economy almost certainly would suffer as a result of no deal. But no no, he knows nothing. It’s project fear.

Dusty old Thatcherite tories (“Lord” Lamont) for example, on Newsnight last night said that Food supplies & medication would not be interrupted, despite industry leaders and experts saying it will. The Governments very own dry run of bringing the isotopes required for medical purposes such as xrays, scans, radio therapy etc. actually demonstrated that there would be delays, but again, these people are spouting lies & it’s just “project fear”. But of course, Lamont - who is arguably theee worst chancellor in British history - the man responsible for a run on the pound, is better placed to comment on this than the experts.

Another dusty old man of Tory grandeur Peter Lilley on PM tonight again dismissing claims by experts. It’s astounding.

Anyone who dares to call Brexit for what it is and gives their otherwise trusted opinion is a “remoaner” and their findings are just part of the so called project fear.

It seems that this faction want to blame anyone but themselves for this mess. It’s project fear. It’s the EU’s fault. They won’t negotiate. Our hands are clean. ... what extraordinary times we live in.

[HoneysuckIejasmine]

Terrifying, isn't it. How can these supposed journalists doing the interviews just sit there and listen to them spout bollocks without challenge?! It's so frustrating.

[TheBigBallOfOil]

Project fear is a very useful phrase. It enables Brexiteer gobshites to dismiss concerns without actually responding to them in detail and committing themselves to saying they are untrue. Which would involve lying.
Anyone who falls for it deserves all they get.

[GreyGardens88]

I hope no deal hits those communities that voted leave the hardest

[TheBigBallOfOil]

Well it will, I suspect. London and other big cities with flexible, educated populations will adapt faster and more successfully, and also have more opportunities to go elsewhere if things get bad.
So they’ll be sitting in Sunderland with their precious Brexit, worse off than when they started.

[MigorRortis]

Someone else who needs some late night attention🙄
Brexit means Brexit. It’s what the majority voted for & democracy must be upheld. What can you not understand? Get over it & just get on with it.

[FantailsFly]

I agree honeysuckle - journalists letting bollocks be spouted unchallenged is infuriating. Why hasn’t the BBC, as public service broadcaster, not drilled deep into pros and cons of leaving over the last 3 years so they can present some facts and challenge authoritatively instead of what sometimes feels like endless voxpop rubbish...? I despair.

[TheBigBallOfOil]

arent you the comedian frothing about your patriotic cupboard elsewhere rortis? Why not get inside, shut the door, and you can babble to your hearts content. You’ll enjoy that.

[Septemberissue]

@MigorRortis — I don’t need late night attention, no. But nonetheless thank you for giving me yours. Irrespective of how nonsensical it may be with your “Brexit means Brexit” mantra. you’re only further enhancing my point about Brexiteers staunch ignorance to define it, take any accountability for the shit show you’ve caused and dismiss any factual or credible viewpoint that does not fit with your own. Perhaps you could come back and define what Brexit actually means and what you stand for other than simply repeating the tired and utterly meaningless “Brexit means Brexit” catchphrase. Your lack of regard for fact and indeed credible knowledge is all too clear.

As did Robert Goodwill enhance what I’m saying when he suggested that because it was not discussed in dozens of No Deal planning meeting, 45,000 cattle would not need to be culled in Northern Ireland as the price of Milk rises to unaffordable in the south as a result of no deal.

Hope you have a lovely evening.

[TheBigBallOfOil]

Note, though, that goodwill did not say that the problem did not exist. What he said, insofar as he was capable of making sense, was that there was a dependency on the Irish government to fix it.
Which is true. And yet another example of how, far from securing our independence, no deal Brexit leaves us dependent on other member states to take steps so we can avoid the consequences.
Let’s hope they do, eh?

[Janista]

Pure hysteria, no helped by threads like this. Brexit is like the millennium bug. Once 1 Nov ticks round you'll wonder what the fuss was about.

[MigorRortis]

Hope you have a lovely evening too @Septemberissue getting all the late night attention you need from this thread, knowing full well it’s not going to change anything & we are leaving the EU on 31/10/19🎉✌️🇬🇧

[TheBigBallOfOil]

“Brexit is like the Millenium bug.” This is a hotly contested field of course, but I think that must be the stupidest statement about Brexit I have yet read.
Brexiteers. They don’t do complexity. It’s a simple world they live in. Enviable in its way, perhaps.

[Septemberissue]

@MigorRortis I note, though, you still haven't answered my questions. I suspect you probably don't know the answers and will continue on blind ignorance with your Brexit means Brexit and your union jacks and feigned patriotism.

[Septemberissue]

@MigorRortis I note, though, you still haven't answered my questions. I suspect you probably don't know the answers and will continue on blind ignorance with your Brexit means Brexit and your union jacks and feigned patriotism.

[averylongtimeago]

Janista don't you live in Australia?

[Septemberissue]

@Janista ah yes, the millennium bug theory, funnily enough Peter Lilley was spouting exactly that on PM too.

It's really pretty amazing that despite best intentions to rubbish what i'm saying you are only solidifying it. Dismissing any shred of credible commentary, opinion or knowledge and merely suggesting that it will be the status quo is just staggering.

If there was nothing to fear, if there was nothing to panic about why would we even need the Government planning for no deal? If we're going to wake up on the 01 November and all will be well? Yet we have it (no matter how incompetent and piecemeal it may be).

You're right, these people are just out to cause hysteria .

[Septemberissue]

@MigorRortis ^ lol I suspect because of your continued refusal to answer it, instead you spout this utter tripe about ''late night attention'' and "Brexit means Brexit" with the usual hostility, rudeness and belligerence that's come to be expected from Brexiteers who have no actual response to give in a reasoned discussion.

I'm well versed in the principles of Democracy, so therefore I don't need you nor anyone else to explain it to me.

perhaps you could take a lesson from your own school of democracy though (only if you can be bothered), and learn that it may just be only a little undemocratic to suggest that someone who does not agree with you or the Government's view to go live somewhere else if they don't like it... but who am I to question you or your superior knowledge?

& I'm fine where I am, thanks.

[W0rriedMum]

Politicians who have barely had a job outside politics are talking nonsense and revert to screaming "project fear" because they know no better.

The politicians that are knowledgeable (Rees Mogg among them) are moving operations outside the UK and are shorting the £ and FTSE. I don't know how Sajid Javid sleeps as he knows exactly what is coming, but probably has his banking money tucked abroad somewhere.

Leavers - you've been conned. Unless you're rich enough to have money or significant interests offshore, you will be poorer.

[MigorRortis]

You are well versed in mumsnet @septemberissue

[prettybird]

Oh, I do love a Y2K idiot denier

If the company I used to work for (and the other companies in the sector) hadn't had teams of people working very hard for a very long time, then people wouldn't have been able to get their cash from ATMs, bank systems would've crashed, air traffic control would have failed, traffic lights would've stopped operating, mobile phone and landline networks would've stopped working, alarm systems would've failed, radio and TV would've stopped transmitting and t'internet would've gone down (Just a small selection of the areas involved )

All things reliant on telecoms networks .

Just as well they didn't rely on non experts saying that the problems were imaginary and listened to the experts who did the work!

[Septemberissue]

@MigorRortis ah yes, another bullshit meaningless response because you had nothing else to say, again reasoned, calculated and perfectly sensible response.

well done.

[W0rriedMum]

@MigorRortis - I wouldn't encourage remainers to live somewhere else (like home? ) if I were you. We need every single taxpayer to continue paying into the public coffers to pay for the health, education and welfare bills as we will find no-one wants our badly rated debt going forward.
But hey that's all project fear too, right??!

[yomellamoHelly]

Apparently it will all be alright.... Lots of American companies will come and open shops here and the cost of everything will go down...... (So I was told today!)