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Westminstenders: Promises, promises

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Hazardtired Tue 06-Aug-19 00:20:28

So if Johnson ignores a vote of no confidence...

Where does the army fit into this? Are they actually parliament's and not literally Her Majesty's Armed Forces?

Following an ignored vote of no confidence can our Liz step in with her forces to remove Johnson?

ThereWillBeAdequateFood Tue 06-Aug-19 00:04:09

We will do everything to stop no deal, including a no-confidence vote at the appropriate very early time to do it

I wish everything included resigning as leader of the Labour Party and letting someone sane take over (probably too late anyway).

SingingBabooshkaBadly Mon 05-Aug-19 23:54:45

Thank you Red

It would put the Queen in a politically difficult position where the PM hasn't the confidence of Parliament

So Johnson would have a mandate from neither the public nor Parliament but would refuse to go? An actual dictator then?

Meanwhile from Corbyn:

We will do everything to stop no deal, including a no-confidence vote at the appropriate very early time to do it

Doing everything to stop no deal? hmm Feel like that boat sailed when you whipped against Joanna Cherry’s amendment angry

ThereWillBeAdequateFood Mon 05-Aug-19 23:54:10


We really are fucked aren’t we. It’s just starting to sink in. Oh God, oh God, oh God, bollocks to it all.

FMFL Mon 05-Aug-19 23:44:22

PMK and thanks Red!

RedToothBrush Mon 05-Aug-19 23:43:07

The legal text does not explicitly state the PM must resign and that's what has been noticed.

It would put the Queen in a politically difficult position where the PM hasn't the confidence of Parliament...

DarkAtEndOfUK Mon 05-Aug-19 23:42:37

PMK, thanks.

MaxNormal Mon 05-Aug-19 23:39:21

Where I grew up we had a military dictatorship and there were a series of bloodless coups over quite a short period.

I must admit I did not see one coming in the UK.

prettybird Mon 05-Aug-19 23:38:08

I did post a picture with my post - but it's not showing up confused at least, not in my feed sad

wheresmymojo Mon 05-Aug-19 23:37:12

Off to bed...I can't see that BJ can simply ignore the VoNC but that being said I haven't looked at the legal text and need to go to bed!

Possibly one for tomorrow...

wheresmymojo Mon 05-Aug-19 23:35:52

I've used up my photo allowance for today so PMK with a cat emoji 🐈

prettybird Mon 05-Aug-19 23:34:40

Scottish fleabags cats relaxing in their Scottish place in the sun smile

RedToothBrush Mon 05-Aug-19 23:26:22

Today polling showed that there was a majority in Scotland who support Independence. The 'Boris Bounce' really isn't universal. And this is a firm sign all is not well.

There is talk tonight that Johnson is planning to stay on as PM even if he loses a vote of no confidence in order to force No Deal through and prevent a government of national unity. Instead he would call a 'people v politicians' general election to be held shortly after we'd left the EU.

Johnson's willingness to defy parliament should not be discounted and should be taken seriously. Its highly likely in one way or another. No deal is technically illegal, but its also the default. This does not seem to be fully recognised by remainers. But this is a man who lied and continued to lie. And there is every sign that he would be willing to cause some sort of constitutional crisis. Especially if he really is like Trump. This is what authoritarians do - defy convention and rip up the rule book - because the powers that are suppose to hold them to account are too weak to hold them to account. Something that Johnson has already proved time and again. He has no respect for others.

All the signs are Johnson is in fully into campaigning for a GE already. He's touring the country and ignoring Europe. He's offering money for the NHS - its open to debate whether this is new money - the optics on this are all down to what you want to believe. Those who want Johnson will believe the promise; those who don't won't.

The penny hasn't fully dropped in parliament. There is talk of a vote of no confidence being called by Labour 'at the earliest opportunity' in September. The reality is its too little too late and is unlikely to work to have the desired effect and inside will play right into Johnson's plan. The failure of the Opposition to spot what he was likely to do, has been the story of the last 3 years, where Remainers have been reactionary and unable to anticipate what would happen next. Their lack of imagination and inability to look beyond their own rhetoric has been their undoing and may cost us all in the long run.

Meanwhile in Brussels, the EU unlike our Parliament have recognised the inevitability of no deal and if Johnson wants no deal there is no way to stop it. And that he has no inclination whatsoever to negotiate.

The expectation is still that the EU will have the backstop and the Brexit Bill of £39 billion as the requirement for the opening of trade talks if we no deal.

Which leaves up shit creek.

At the same time the new trade minister Liz Truss is full on libertarian and talking to the US with this in mind.

That would mean a bonfire of rights and standards which will horrify many. That means goodbye to workers rights, food standards and data protection.

The tech giants have the ears of Washington so British ideas of a tax on them are being seen as a block on a US trade deal.

It comes as the UK has joined a US coalition to protect ships in the Gulf - something we were originally given a snub against, and led to Jeremy Hunt saying we would join a European led force. Its not clear what, who or how the US uturn has come about...

Meanwhile our summer holidays are all getting more expensive... and this is just the start of it.

This is real. This isn't a bluff.

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