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Westminstenders: Promises, promises

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RedToothBrush Mon 05-Aug-19 23:26:22

Today polling showed that there was a majority in Scotland who support Independence. The 'Boris Bounce' really isn't universal. And this is a firm sign all is not well.

There is talk tonight that Johnson is planning to stay on as PM even if he loses a vote of no confidence in order to force No Deal through and prevent a government of national unity. Instead he would call a 'people v politicians' general election to be held shortly after we'd left the EU.

Johnson's willingness to defy parliament should not be discounted and should be taken seriously. Its highly likely in one way or another. No deal is technically illegal, but its also the default. This does not seem to be fully recognised by remainers. But this is a man who lied and continued to lie. And there is every sign that he would be willing to cause some sort of constitutional crisis. Especially if he really is like Trump. This is what authoritarians do - defy convention and rip up the rule book - because the powers that are suppose to hold them to account are too weak to hold them to account. Something that Johnson has already proved time and again. He has no respect for others.

All the signs are Johnson is in fully into campaigning for a GE already. He's touring the country and ignoring Europe. He's offering money for the NHS - its open to debate whether this is new money - the optics on this are all down to what you want to believe. Those who want Johnson will believe the promise; those who don't won't.

The penny hasn't fully dropped in parliament. There is talk of a vote of no confidence being called by Labour 'at the earliest opportunity' in September. The reality is its too little too late and is unlikely to work to have the desired effect and inside will play right into Johnson's plan. The failure of the Opposition to spot what he was likely to do, has been the story of the last 3 years, where Remainers have been reactionary and unable to anticipate what would happen next. Their lack of imagination and inability to look beyond their own rhetoric has been their undoing and may cost us all in the long run.

Meanwhile in Brussels, the EU unlike our Parliament have recognised the inevitability of no deal and if Johnson wants no deal there is no way to stop it. And that he has no inclination whatsoever to negotiate.

The expectation is still that the EU will have the backstop and the Brexit Bill of £39 billion as the requirement for the opening of trade talks if we no deal.

Which leaves up shit creek.

At the same time the new trade minister Liz Truss is full on libertarian and talking to the US with this in mind.

That would mean a bonfire of rights and standards which will horrify many. That means goodbye to workers rights, food standards and data protection.

The tech giants have the ears of Washington so British ideas of a tax on them are being seen as a block on a US trade deal.

It comes as the UK has joined a US coalition to protect ships in the Gulf - something we were originally given a snub against, and led to Jeremy Hunt saying we would join a European led force. Its not clear what, who or how the US uturn has come about...

Meanwhile our summer holidays are all getting more expensive... and this is just the start of it.

This is real. This isn't a bluff.

bellinisurge Tue 06-Aug-19 07:16:52

I can't believe I'm starting to pin all my hopes on the Queen. I am plugging away at my hope that Parliament can stop No Deal.
I can tolerate an orderly Brexit just not No Deal.

NoWordForFluffy Tue 06-Aug-19 07:18:21

All of this, 'We must do as the people voted', blah blah blah is more hypocrisy from the man if he's then going to ignore a VoNC. He's a hideous man. Evil.

NoWordForFluffy Tue 06-Aug-19 07:20:06

Same here, Bellini.

Is there any way that Parliament can bring the WA back itself to vote for it? I'm sure there's not.

Everyone who voted against the Cherry amendment should be fucking ashamed of themselves right now. Corbyn especially for whipping against it.

CrunchyCarrot Tue 06-Aug-19 07:20:46

Thanks, Red.

It's dreadful. I'm inwardly screaming. What is wrong with the Labour Party, why so silent?? Where the fuck are they? Bloody hell. angry

PostNotInHaste Tue 06-Aug-19 07:27:10

Well this is incredibly depressing. What makes it worse is the feeling of seeing impending disaster coming and having to sit back and do absolutely nothing. Really feel the need to do something but there doesn’t seem to be anything. Protests don’t really work but the petition and the March did seem to temporarily change the mood.

We can not sit back and let this happen without a fight, we won’t forgive ourselves and our children won’t. I am a Grandchild of the generation who voted in the Nazis so I speak from experience. I know everyone is exhausted with all this but this is our last chance to not go down without a fight, a short period of time between now and 31 October.

What can be done I don’t know but we have to try and there are many better brains than me . We need to make life hard for Johnson, he’s relying on the general apathy of the British currently to have an easy ride right up to 31 October and it’s just not acceptable. Sorry for rant, off to find my blood pressure tablets whilst I still have them.

NoWordForFluffy Tue 06-Aug-19 07:30:37

The October march needs some serious publicising. I hope there are buses going again as I'll definitely be on one if there is.

Rhubarbisevil Tue 06-Aug-19 07:32:50

I agree with you Post but what can we do? We will be dismissed, laughed at, demeaned and ridiculed. The only think I can think of doing is to join the Tories and attend the party conference, take a swipe at Boris and be arrested. I will then be labelled as mentally unwell (because I’m white - otherwise I’d be a terrorist), Boris will say “I have this effect on all women”, everyone will laugh and that will be the end of it.

PostNotInHaste Tue 06-Aug-19 07:39:21

We need to create social media and general noise. We need a series of Marches across the country so that everyone can get to , all at the same time- not just one central one. My 84 year old neighbour who voted Leave but has changed her mind can’t do London but she might just be able to go somewhere local.

New petition against No deal. Letter writing campaign to local MP and Johnson. Noise and lots of it. And possibly some inconvenience to people for a short period but not sure what. Poll tax was over turned, the stakes for this are so much higher.

PostNotInHaste Tue 06-Aug-19 07:41:07

And base it on emotion, not facts.

PostNotInHaste Tue 06-Aug-19 07:43:03

The Not in My Name campaign. I will shut up now and go and get caffeine so I wake up.

Hazardtired Tue 06-Aug-19 07:48:40

Also inwardly screaming.

Leaving DP to sleep in while I get my head straight.

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Yeah I can't get my head straight because this is fucking nuts.

NoWordForFluffy Tue 06-Aug-19 07:48:58

My fucking useless MP won't do anything. He can't even read emails properly.

Motheroffourdragons Tue 06-Aug-19 07:54:15

PMK - thanks Red

Peregrina Tue 06-Aug-19 07:58:06

Are they actually parliament's and not literally Her Majesty's Armed Forces?

Good question - it's the Royal Air Force and the Royal Navy, but it's the British not the Royal Army.

Other than that, I felt really depressed reading about us falling in with America re Gulf shipping. I give myself a small crumb of comfort in that 10% of Americans identify as having an Irish background, and I am as sure as can be that it comes from the 19th Century Irish fleeing the famine. So I hope Congress stands firm and says a firm NO to a trade deal, unless the NI situation is sorted.

CrunchyCarrot Tue 06-Aug-19 08:01:58

We will be dismissed, laughed at, demeaned and ridiculed. The only think I can think of doing is to join the Tories and attend the party conference, take a swipe at Boris and be arrested. I will then be labelled as mentally unwell (because I’m white - otherwise I’d be a terrorist), Boris will say “I have this effect on all women”, everyone will laugh and that will be the end of it.

I gave a rueful laugh at this, but it's so true! Boris the Pied Piper of Brexit ruffles his hair and makes a joke as he leads the country over the cliff edge. angry

megletthesecond Tue 06-Aug-19 08:02:30

yy bell. I have fantasies that HRH is swotting up on this stuff with her advisors, and ready to a) read Johnson the riot act or b) speak up.

Bercows Tue 06-Aug-19 08:02:48

PMK

lonelyplanetmum Tue 06-Aug-19 08:02:49

* We need to create social media and general noise. We need a series of Marches across the country so that everyone can get to , all at the same time- not just one central one.*...

New petition against No deal. Letter writing campaign to local MP and Johnson. Noise and lots of it. And possibly some inconvenience to people for a short period but not sure what. Poll tax was over turned, the stakes for this are so much higher.

This is Worthy of repeating. Never give up.

If you're a lurker who wants to do something start with 5 or 10 minutes a day.

In that time..Sign petitions, contribute to crowd funded pro EU campaigns, comment on newspaper or number 10 sites, write to MPs - thanking good ones, and pointing out lies etc told by bad ones. Join a political party. Join a local or Facebook 48% type group. Go on your first march or recruit friends to join a march.

Encourage one friend to start doing something too, even with 10 minutes s day. Never give up.

lonelyplanetmum Tue 06-Aug-19 08:03:01

* We need to create social media and general noise. We need a series of Marches across the country so that everyone can get to , all at the same time- not just one central one.*...

New petition against No deal. Letter writing campaign to local MP and Johnson. Noise and lots of it. And possibly some inconvenience to people for a short period but not sure what. Poll tax was over turned, the stakes for this are so much higher.

This is Worthy of repeating. Never give up.

If you're a lurker who wants to do something start with 5 or 10 minutes a day.

In that time..Sign petitions, contribute to crowd funded pro EU campaigns, comment on newspaper or number 10 sites, write to MPs - thanking good ones, and pointing out lies etc told by bad ones. Join a political party. Join a local or Facebook 48% type group. Go on your first march or recruit friends to join a march.

Encourage one friend to start doing something too, even with 10 minutes s day. Never give up.

Bercows Tue 06-Aug-19 08:03:03

PMK

lonelyplanetmum Tue 06-Aug-19 08:03:12

* We need to create social media and general noise. We need a series of Marches across the country so that everyone can get to , all at the same time- not just one central one.*...

New petition against No deal. Letter writing campaign to local MP and Johnson. Noise and lots of it. And possibly some inconvenience to people for a short period but not sure what. Poll tax was over turned, the stakes for this are so much higher.

This is Worthy of repeating. Never give up.

If you're a lurker who wants to do something start with 5 or 10 minutes a day.

In that time..Sign petitions, contribute to crowd funded pro EU campaigns, comment on newspaper or number 10 sites, write to MPs - thanking good ones, and pointing out lies etc told by bad ones. Join a political party. Join a local or Facebook 48% type group. Go on your first march or recruit friends to join a march.

Encourage one friend to start doing something too, even with 10 minutes s day. Never give up.

lonelyplanetmum Tue 06-Aug-19 08:03:33

* We need to create social media and general noise. We need a series of Marches across the country so that everyone can get to , all at the same time- not just one central one.*...

New petition against No deal. Letter writing campaign to local MP and Johnson. Noise and lots of it. And possibly some inconvenience to people for a short period but not sure what. Poll tax was over turned, the stakes for this are so much higher.

This is Worthy of repeating. Never give up.

If you're a lurker who wants to do something start with 5 or 10 minutes a day.

In that time..Sign petitions, contribute to crowd funded pro EU campaigns, comment on newspaper or number 10 sites, write to MPs - thanking good ones, and pointing out lies etc told by bad ones. Join a political party. Join a local or Facebook 48% type group. Go on your first march or recruit friends to join a march.

Encourage one friend to start doing something too, even with 10 minutes s day. Never give up.

Peregrina Tue 06-Aug-19 08:03:49

The October march needs some serious publicising. I hope there are buses going again as I'll definitely be on one if there is.

I am afraid that with Johnson at the helm, (the man who wasted the taxpayers money on illegal water cannon), that there might be violence this time. I would not put it past him to use Agents Provocateur to whip it up.

lonelyplanetmum Tue 06-Aug-19 08:03:49

* We need to create social media and general noise. We need a series of Marches across the country so that everyone can get to , all at the same time- not just one central one.*...

New petition against No deal. Letter writing campaign to local MP and Johnson. Noise and lots of it. And possibly some inconvenience to people for a short period but not sure what. Poll tax was over turned, the stakes for this are so much higher.

This is Worthy of repeating. Never give up.

If you're a lurker who wants to do something start with 5 or 10 minutes a day.

In that time..Sign petitions, contribute to crowd funded pro EU campaigns, comment on newspaper or number 10 sites, write to MPs - thanking good ones, and pointing out lies etc told by bad ones. Join a political party. Join a local or Facebook 48% type group. Go on your first march or recruit friends to join a march.

Encourage one friend to start doing something too, even with 10 minutes s day. Never give up.

lonelyplanetmum Tue 06-Aug-19 08:03:59

* We need to create social media and general noise. We need a series of Marches across the country so that everyone can get to , all at the same time- not just one central one.*...

New petition against No deal. Letter writing campaign to local MP and Johnson. Noise and lots of it. And possibly some inconvenience to people for a short period but not sure what. Poll tax was over turned, the stakes for this are so much higher.

This is Worthy of repeating. Never give up.

If you're a lurker who wants to do something start with 5 or 10 minutes a day.

In that time..Sign petitions, contribute to crowd funded pro EU campaigns, comment on newspaper or number 10 sites, write to MPs - thanking good ones, and pointing out lies etc told by bad ones. Join a political party. Join a local or Facebook 48% type group. Go on your first march or recruit friends to join a march.

Encourage one friend to start doing something too, even with 10 minutes s day. Never give up.

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