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Why has there been no attempt whatsoever by Labour MPs to remove Corbyn over the past few months....

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Oakenbeach Fri 26-Jul-19 23:56:09

.... He’s deeply unpopular - unbelievably more so even than TM at her darkest hour; he’s preventing the party adopting an unequivocal anti-Brexit line when most of the party are desperate for him to; he’s mired in scandal over anti-semetism; and he led his party to a risible 14% vote share in the EU election, yet no one has tried to touch him!

I appreciate many got their hands burnt last time, but things have moved on.... Why are Labour MPs being so pathetic and cowardly....

I think it’s too late now. They had their chance when May resigned, but to go through a Leadership election now in the run up to Halloween would be irresponsible and be even more destructive for it.... yet, even this may be the least worst course of action for it.

Any ideas?

bellinisurge Sat 27-Jul-19 07:29:50

Scared of their constituency parties that are packed with Momentum entry-ists.
Cooper (or similar) as leader would defeat the Tories but Momentum shites prefer to be in opposition and not actually take any responsibility.

TemporaryPermanent Sat 27-Jul-19 07:33:41

Because they've tried and it didn't work?

Because there is a huge section of the working class who are passionate Leavers and the MPs feel Corbyn by taking only a fudged position is preventing an electoral meltdown? They could be right about that in fact.

Because the members of the party want him to stay? Rather like the Tory members love Johnson.

leckford Sat 27-Jul-19 07:47:25

Quite a lot of anti labour people joined under the £3 membership and voted for him to keep labour out of power. Then you have the truly nast momentum people who believe he will ultimately suceed

Alltheprettyseahorses Sat 27-Jul-19 08:02:39

I think you nailed it when you called them 'pathetic and cowardly'. What with them letting Corbyn stay on and the Tories allowing Johnson to become PM, I can only conclude that none of them are doing the jobs they're employed to do. We really need all new MPs in parliament.

Mistigri Sat 27-Jul-19 08:53:38

Corbyn has done some funny stuff to nice people (just as Brexit has). A very old friend, who is as mild mannered as they come, was incredibly rude to me yesterday on FB for saying that Labour needs to oppose the far right government in office rather than attacking Jo Swinson. I didn't pick a fight just unfriended him but this makes me sad.

DullPortraits Sat 27-Jul-19 09:01:55

I think deep down labour have absolutely no intention of taking government while brexit is still up in the air. They know with Corbyn in charge they will never be elected. When the conservatives push brexit through and make a mess of everything the labour party will up their game to become electable to "pick up the pieces"

Songsofexperience Sat 27-Jul-19 09:21:13

dullportraits That would truly be as despicable and cynical as the Tory strategy: you don't let the country go to shit just because there's an opportunity for power.

megletthesecond Sat 27-Jul-19 09:22:29

I have no idea. I often wonder this confused.

DullPortraits Sat 27-Jul-19 09:43:26

@Songsofexperience well i don't see much "opposition" going on do you? Also they should have wiped the floor in the last snap election and didn't and they prob wouldn't win if there was a snap election tomorrow even with all the crap we have put up with the last few years and will continue to put up with now BJ is PM and with Brexit. They in my opinion are purposefully holding back so they can come out as heroes when this current government goes to shit.

Songsofexperience Sat 27-Jul-19 09:50:35

Well, you may be right. If you are, I can say I despise them. They will never have my vote and I suspect I'm not alone here.

Oakenbeach Sat 27-Jul-19 10:06:27

This is all a gift for the LibDems.... If they can’t make a breakthrough with BJ as PM, JC and Labour leader, and this Brexit shitstorm, they never will.

They’ll very likely be some serious tactical voting at a GE that will boost their seats, similar to 1997 (where they got 46 seats and 16% of the vote) but on a grander scale.

GhostofFrankGrimes Sat 27-Jul-19 10:10:28

He was elected by the Labour membership. His social democratic policies are popular with those that understand how the last 40 years of neo liberal economic policy helped bring the UK to the point of Brexit.

Centrists seem to want to ignore this, the battle to stop Brexit appears to trump addressing disgruntled voters in deprived areas who got hammered economically by Thatcherism and then hammered socially and economically by the coalition government.

The fight is not about saving the DC's right to travel across Europe on a gap year it is for the soul of the UK. What sort of Britain do you want to live in? The small state that promotes the inequality of individualism or a fairer society built around good public services?

CCquavers Sat 27-Jul-19 10:20:52

And who do you suggest would take his place?

He does have a following much the same as brexit where people are less vocal. You don’t need to shout and ball when you have what you want.

I can only hope that behind the scenes Labour are out looking for potential new leaders and training them up.

Oakenbeach Sat 27-Jul-19 11:09:34

And who do you suggest would take his place?

Starmer, Benn, Cooper, 90%+ of the parliamentary party?

nonsenceagain Sat 27-Jul-19 11:20:38

I hope Corbyn recognises that he isn’t the person to lead Labour into government and stands down. He did his bit but it’s time for someone who can manage the Party and MPs and get a proper grip on anti-semitism and Brexit while keeping the radical economic policy Labour has set out. It might not be fair, but it would be best for a country that desperately needs a Labour government. I’d be happy with Thornberry or Starmer.

Peregrina Sat 27-Jul-19 13:14:19

Keep the policies but ditch Corbyn. It needs someone who can call out Johnson for the bullshitter that he is.

GhostofFrankGrimes Sat 27-Jul-19 13:20:33

Starmer, Benn, Cooper, 90%+ of the parliamentary party?

New Labour or "centrism" within the party is currently dead as a political force. The Ed Miliband defeat in 2015 should tell you as much. Working class Labour voters do not want more austerity and pandering to neo liberal economic policy that has seen them trodden on for 40 years.

The problem for the centre is they've ridden economic storms relatively well whilst poorer communities have been thrown under a bus. It was usually the tories doing this but they were joined by a supposedly moral and liberal party in 2010. Now Brexit threatens better off liberal households, this group want a return to 2010 (liberal conservatism) to save their own arses from the Brexit fall out at the expense of the worse off. Again.

MockerstheFeManist Sat 27-Jul-19 13:22:58

Back in 1935, pacifist George Lansbury had the self-awareness to realise the party needed a more mainstream leader who coud win an election. No such of such foresight from Jezza.

Meanwhile, it seems Jezza's Office have that charismatic beacon Rebecca Long Bailey lined up as his sucessor.

NoBaggyPants Sat 27-Jul-19 13:24:19

If you look outside the Mumsnet bubble he's not "deeply unpopular". Certainly not as popular as he was, but he still has a broad and strong following. You can see that if you go to any of his events. And it's sod all to do with Momentum, Corbyn's core support have been party members for years.

I agree that the Brexit mess has been badly handled, but it's an impossible win for Labour. Now they've moved away from trying to find a compromise and are supporting remain they've lost voters in the Labour heartlands, who now feel betrayed and unheard.

For the record, I'm a Labour member who has held regional office, so am well aware of our membership and our voter base. I've never been a Momentum member. I'm pro remain but was willing to compromise in the hope of mending our horribly divided nation. But no one on the extreme remain or extreme Brexit sides would compromise, so we continue as divided as ever.

NoBaggyPants Sat 27-Jul-19 13:26:05

(And Rebecca Long Bailey is lovely, a good person with an excellent knowledge base. I'm not aware that she is being lined up for anything at this time, if you see her about it's because she's a member of the shadow cabinet.)

bellinisurge Sat 27-Jul-19 13:38:55

"But no one on the extreme remain or extreme Brexit sides would compromise, so we continue as divided as ever."
Bad news. Happy to compromise on a GFA compatible Brexit. Not on Corbyn. I'm old . Always voted Labour. Not with him and his sixth form politics pals in charge .

Oakenbeach Sat 27-Jul-19 13:46:35

@NoBaggyPants

If you look outside the Mumsnet bubble he's not "deeply unpopular"

Really? 26% approval ratings... and that’s one of the more positive ones! He was less popular than TM towards the end of her premiership!

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Jeremy_Corbyn

Topseyt Sat 27-Jul-19 13:58:04

Isn't at least part of the problem that the Parliamentary Labour Party has found itself at odds with much of it's grassroots membership?

Corbyn's leadership was challenged by his own MPs in the wake of the Brexshit Referendum result back in 2016, but the grassroots (mainly, though he does have some parliamentary support too) voted him back in.

That and the conundrum over how to approach Brexit. Quite a lot of Labour's MPs are pro-remain, but many are have their seats in strongly Leave areas. So grassroots may (with exceptions, of course) be quite strongly Leave, whereas many of it's MPs prefer Remain.

I would like Labour to join with the LibDems and other parties to properly oppose Brexshit, but they are scared of upsetting the grassroots too much.

Alltheprettyseahorses Sat 27-Jul-19 16:26:26

Corbyn doesn't appeal to grassroots Labour members. If the 2016 leadership election had been restricted to pre-2015 members, Smith would have won with around 2/3 of the vote.

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