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urbanlife Fri 26-Jul-19 06:58:34

So leaving on WTO terms looks like a very sound choice. Germany props up the entire EU superstate pretty much.

I for one am feeling much more optimistic by the day.

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Kazzyhoward Sun 28-Jul-19 16:27:55

The UK has a shortage of drs with specialisms (so doctor +++ of you like) and has for a few years. Has brexit put off potential EU nationals from applying for the roles that have been left empty for a long time?

We've had a shortage of all kinds of doctors for decades. It's nothing new. The real travesty is that successive governments have not resourced anywhere near enough training places, not helped by medical unions objecting to proposed increases in training places. There's no shortage of students - some medical schools have been reporting courses oversubscribed by a factor of 10 (from people meeting their minimum requirements) hence why they select on the basis of who's been digging wells in Africa or climbing the Himalayas or doing 100 hours of unpaid work per week in local care homes.

howwudufeel Sun 28-Jul-19 16:40:41

New courses are starting this year designed to train people from non traditional backgrounds as doctors. Very long overdue.

Peregrina Sun 28-Jul-19 16:42:45

I absolutely agree Kazzyhoward. It's a scandal that we have always chosen not to train sufficient medical staff, preferring to poach them from elsewhere. In an ideal world we would train more than sufficient and have enough so that we could sent people out to other countries where there are desperate shortages.

ChiaSeeds Sun 28-Jul-19 16:46:18

howwudufeel What does non traditional mean here? blush

People with degrees in Anthropology or non middle class / state school?

howwudufeel Sun 28-Jul-19 16:48:34

I think mature students or people with experience in nursing. I also think they will take students with slightly lesser grades if they went to schools with poor results. Apparently these courses are already hugely oversubscribed.

probstimeforanewname Sun 28-Jul-19 17:07:58

What surprises me isn't that no EU citizens with useful skills still want to come to the UK but why so many of them are still here after 3 years of the UK government being unhelpful about their status and bringing in the settled status scheme (to be balanced, there were two letters in the Sunday Times today from people who'd used the system and been approved without any complications). If I had the choice of 30 odd other countries to live in, I would have been off by now. I realise some will stay because they are married to Brits but I suspect many could be much more mobile.

NoDarcyNo Sun 28-Jul-19 17:16:23


We have our communities here, spouses, family and friends, not all them British. We have our careers, our mortgages, our lives.

Some of us have lived here for more than 45 years, our children are British. Some of us simply like it here, it's home, as simple as that.

Some of us even became British to secure our futures.

The way we have been treated and are being treated by the British government is outrageous, yet we stay because........ it's our home.

We came here legally, not as immigrants but as fellow EU citizens, one of you. We participate and contribute, we have roots, please don't other us by saying you don't get why we haven't left yet. It is hurtful and adds insult to injury.

bellinisurge Sun 28-Jul-19 19:28:12

Tbe NHS has always depended upon immigrant staff. My Mum came here in the late 1940s when NHS was new to do the work they couldn't get British people to do.
Bonus for me is that am automatically an Irish citizen thanks to her being Irish born even though her entire working life and tax paying was here in UK.

probstimeforanewname Mon 29-Jul-19 08:56:19

I wasn't othering you, I was asking why you'd put up with the crap from the British government if you didn't have to - which you've explained. If it were me I would have just thought "sod off" and be gone.

Peregrina Mon 29-Jul-19 09:28:56

If it were me I would have just thought "sod off" and be gone.

I can immediately think of ten families where they can't just say 'sod off'. One partner is British and the other not. Would the Briton be able to get the same work in the other's country? Having married and lived here for 45 years could you really uproot, especially if the ties you had to your original country have gone? I know at least two couples like this - parents and siblings in the home country are dead, so what is there to take people back? So for a lot of people it's presenting huge dilemmas.

For those who are not already here and thinking of applying - yes, why bother when other countries are easier to get into and more welcoming?

howwudufeel Mon 29-Jul-19 09:59:05

I thought that people who are currently resident here have been told they can stay?

bellinisurge Mon 29-Jul-19 12:07:57

There's no legislation for it afaik. In fact Johnson has deliberately avoided putting it in.

probstimeforanewname Mon 29-Jul-19 12:12:25

Dominic Raab said in an interview with the Times on Saturday that they wouldn't bring forward the legislation because it would get hijacked.

Any excuse.

bellinisurge Mon 29-Jul-19 12:14:21

They are going to avoid any legislation through Parliament for that reason. So much for our sovereign parliament. Which was elected by the people after the referendum.

Songsofexperience Mon 29-Jul-19 12:56:54

If it were me I would have just thought "sod off" and be gone.

Have you ever moved, looked for a job in a different city, juggled the hassle of finding new schools, new accommodation etc., faced the issue of your partner or DH or yourself not necessarily finding an equivalent job in the same location, leaving your friends and support network behind and so on and so forth? If you have, you'll agree it's a huge pain, isn't it? Try doing it whilst living in a different country- where do you even start? Think how expensive and time consuming it is to set up a new life elsewhere.
I'm always amazed how flippant people are regarding others' lives. Trust me though, EU people living in their own countries come out with the same comment and it infuriates me just as much.
Those who can easily go are the ones sent by foreign companies as expats- not the same thing- and the few I happen to know were all moving this summer.

Songsofexperience Mon 29-Jul-19 12:59:38

The reality of immigration, like it or not, is that often there is no going back

Hazardtired Mon 29-Jul-19 16:23:55

I'm glad so many EU nationals are saying the truth like nodarcyno we are all Europeans here. The distortion of language in the lead up and post ref has become so ingrained.

But anyway...

Any news on that comprehensive list of life saving medications being stockpiled? I've heard the purse strings are open but I'm assuming it's still mostly down to the private companies?

No? No one? Anyone?

dreichhighlands Mon 29-Jul-19 16:46:54

We have EU national friends, they have a house, friends, dc who are settled in school with friends. It is a huge upheaval to leave.
We have expated a couple of times and even with full company support it is very hard work and very disruptive.

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