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Will a no-deal Brexit by Halloween save the Tory Party?....

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Oakenbeach Tue 16-Jul-19 18:42:27

.... My view is that it will destroy it.

If we do get no deal, the arguments won’t stop - they’ll only
only intensify....Practically we’ll have to “deal” at some point, but Farage and his brigade will continue to cry “foul” at any hint of an accommodation with Brussels.

The Government will have the tiniest of majorities to do anything, and they won’t get any thanks from the “No-deal” Brexiteer voters for the utter mess when the inevitable attrition on their seats leads to a GE, with many doubling down and following Farage at the ballot box into a wormhole of madness.

Of course, it may well not get to this point...and the Government is voted down or stopped from its no-deal path....

ShatteredBrianne Tue 16-Jul-19 21:39:24

How likely do you think it will be that the Tory party will be stopped in its tracks to a No deal Brexit?

I think at this point it's really hard to gauge how any of this will pan out. It doesnt matter if people follow Farage, because the Brexit Party is just a company set up by Aaron banks and co. They can't run for government, they don't even have a manifesto as they are just effectively a company.

I have no idea what will happen come 31st October although its said that BoJo will suspend parliament till afterwards to ensure 'No Deal' slips through.

Hope someone cleverer than me can clarify

Oakenbeach Tue 16-Jul-19 21:50:37

I think at this point it's really hard to gauge how any of this will pan out. It doesnt matter if people follow Farage, because the Brexit Party is just a company set up by Aaron banks and co. They can't run for government, they don't even have a manifesto as they are just effectively a company

I don’t see why the Brexit Party can’t run for Government... having a manifesto isn’t obligatory.

ShatteredBrianne Tue 16-Jul-19 21:57:44

Ah, I always thought you had to have a manifesto to run for a GE 🤷‍♀️

In that case, the way I see it, if they won, they'd probably be in for a term tops. They will cause unforetold damage and will cited out at the next one. They are a one-trick pony with only a couple of policies. I don't think they have enough policies on broaders issues to actually win a GE. They don't care about social care, the welfare state, education, the health service or tackling climate change. They're basically a rebranded UKIP.

bellinisurge Tue 16-Jul-19 22:05:10

Fuck 'em. I could give you my detailed analysis of the situation but it boils down to Fuck 'em.

lljkk Tue 16-Jul-19 22:15:46

Someone on Gransnet muttered bout Faragistas. Made me laugh.

Tories seem to know they are facing oblivion.

ShatteredBrianne Tue 16-Jul-19 22:29:42

Would love to hear your analysis bell.

But, yeah, fuck em

PennyB40 Tue 16-Jul-19 22:34:22

I think they’re fucked either way, they’ve backed themselves into a corner. If they go for No Deal - fucked. If they get a deal, it will never make everyone happy as Brexit meant different things to people - fucked. If they revoke - fucked.
I think the only thing stopping Labour getting in is the awful Corbyn and cronies, along with Bromentum.

myoctopus Tue 16-Jul-19 22:43:00

I think a No Deal will finish them if it's as bad as some predictions say it will be!

I am an ardent Remainer but almost at the point of 'bring it on' let's get it over with and finish the Tory party for the next 50 years!

We need rid of Corbyn first though!

KennDodd Tue 16-Jul-19 22:49:22

My view is that it will destroy it.

At last! A benefit of Brexit!

madcatladyforever Tue 16-Jul-19 22:56:11

Sod the Tory party it could scupper my new mortgage!!

TheEmpireNoMore Wed 17-Jul-19 05:28:06

If there is No Deal I don't think it will last that long as damaging to both EU and UK.

jasjas1973 Wed 17-Jul-19 08:09:11

No-deal will last for years, UK will become a 3rd country and will be forced to trade with the EU on WTO terms.

The mini deals often talked about will be on things like flights and driver permits, perhaps healthcare too.

But on tariffs and FTA - no, its just to complex an area, especially as the whole point of brexit is to enable the UK to have its own trade policy, the EU will then need to protect its own SM.... then there is NI.

Businesses not investing or leaving the UK become an economic benefit to the EU, cities like Dublin and Amsterdam have already benefited, its entirely possible that over the next 10 years we could see a real downsizing of the 'city in favour of Europe.

So, the sliver cloud of brexit could be the destruction of the Con party, though if it is replaced by the BXP or a similar far right outfit, that might not be so great sad

TheABC Wed 17-Jul-19 08:11:11

No-Deal epically fucks over Ireland and the GFA so (if it comes to that), the USA Congress will not consider a deal with us until it's fixed. No chlorinated chicken and the total destruction of the Brexit Party and the Tories?

I take my bright spots where I can find them.

I still think a VONC is likely to happen. At this rate, I would not be surprised if it came from within the Tory party.

probstimeforanewname Wed 17-Jul-19 09:09:48

Not much good saving the Tory party if there's no UK left...

probstimeforanewname Wed 17-Jul-19 09:11:38

On the bright side, I was writing an article about a consultation yesterday about implementing a piece of EU legislation: the government is saying they have to implement it as we will be in the transition period. So someone, somewhere, still expects us to leave with the transition deal...

KennDodd Fri 19-Jul-19 08:25:41

If there's a vonc in the government, how will that stop a crash out Brexit? Even if we have no government at all the law says we leave on 31st October and time marches on?

TheABC Fri 19-Jul-19 09:32:05

@KennDodd, I don't claim to be an expert, but if the current government falls as a result of a VONC, the Queen can ask the opposition to try and form an executive that has the confidence of the house. If they fail within 14 days, we prepare for a general election. The EU has already indicated that they will extend in order to allow a GE or people's vote (or something else to resolve the deadlock!). Given the urgency of the issue, I can't see the PM's job staying empty for long.

Peregrina Fri 19-Jul-19 09:35:30

I assume though, that someone needs to ask the EU for the extension, and with No Government in place, who exactly would do that?

FabulousFox Fri 19-Jul-19 09:44:41

The day they all disappear up their selfish, self-serving, pompous arses will be a celebration for me.

However I fear that another bunch of c*nts will only take their place.

Surprisereaction Fri 19-Jul-19 09:54:16

🤦

KennDodd Fri 19-Jul-19 13:00:02

I assume though, that someone needs to ask the EU for the extension, and with No Government in place, who exactly would do that?

Exactly, and the clock ticks on.

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