Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today

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RedToothBrush Tue 09-Jul-19 22:02:17

We are trapped in the tailspin of the end of the UK. Firmly headed downward and getting more and more frenzied and desperate.

Even the most sensible of types like David Allen Green have finally noticed that Brexit isn't about leaving the EU it's about the frenzied and wilful destruction of our state instutions and structure. The collapse of the civil service, of our justice system, our democratic institutions and social order. All in the name of rule Britannia, a warped sense of taking back control to preserve an ideal that never existed and an idea of sovereignity that simply was a fantasy.

We move ever closer to Johnson becoming Prime Minister and a life under President Trump.


Ode to Joy really isn't that bad.

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tobee Thu 18-Jul-19 14:42:33

I assume it just desperation from the sane members of parliament lonely

LonelyTiredandLow Thu 18-Jul-19 14:36:28

So HoC have made a law that only the UK will respect about a No Deal without even considering they are only on one side? Sorry to feel as though we are going around in circles, but what the hell difference does this make to our chances of No Deal? Yes Bojo can't prorogue Parliament, but he doesn't even have to if no one signs WA. As I keep saying he just has to sit on his arse for a few weeks and do nothing and we No Deal anyway. It isn't a new tactic for Etonians > path of least resistance.

flouncyfanny Thu 18-Jul-19 14:32:06

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prettybird Thu 18-Jul-19 14:26:56

Fluffy (Mundell, that is, not our respected Westminstenders poster wink) is a hypocritical, sycophantic craven coward angry

So much for all his brave protestations if this or that happened hmm. One by one one they've happened and he's still in post hmm

flouncyfanny Thu 18-Jul-19 14:26:01

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MockerstheFeManist Thu 18-Jul-19 14:24:34

Kippers and Porkie Pies:



Advisemeplease1 Thu 18-Jul-19 14:24:19


I go through moments of utterly despairing what people of all nations are voting for. What the fuck has happened to society to make people so selfish and turn against each other?

I think consumerism is to blame and being able to hide behind a pc and people not really socialising properly anymore probably doesn't help.

LASH38 Thu 18-Jul-19 14:22:32

Huh? Johnson voted to block what he had planned as an option?

Was that an error?

I imagine Grayling hasn’t yet left home as he is still trying to tie his laces

bellinisurge Thu 18-Jul-19 14:21:45

Did May vote?

flouncyfanny Thu 18-Jul-19 14:18:23

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tobee Thu 18-Jul-19 14:16:41

Now I'm confused about the last vote on all those amendments.

flouncyfanny Thu 18-Jul-19 14:16:00

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RedToothBrush Thu 18-Jul-19 14:15:21

Steven Swinford
‏Verified account @Steven_Swinford
16m16 minutes ago

The Cabinet abstainers on prorogation appear to be:


Nokes, Perry and Mundell all voted with the Government

Here's a full list of ministers who didn't vote, although it is likely many of them will have been slipped:


Oddly Jeremy Hunt didn't vote. We're trying to find out why

Karen Bradley is on an official visit to Northern Ireland

Jeremy Hunt was slipped, as are both candidates for the duration of the leadership campaign

However Boris Johnson did vote against the move to block prorogation

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tobee Thu 18-Jul-19 14:15:12

Obviously it's just some random maniac on Twitter but I see one of the replies to that Steven Swinford link mentions "drain the swamp". So more evidence of a link between Trump and Brexit philosophy.

dreichhighlands Thu 18-Jul-19 14:14:26

Brexit and Trump are very closely linked, driven by the same populism, blaming of others and looking for easy solutions to difficult problems

LASH38 Thu 18-Jul-19 14:13:09

@Cheesegreater I don’t believe all brexiteers are evil, life and people are not binary. I believe they are misguided maybe especially if they still support an exit now, I would love to know his updated thoughts.

I still support Timpson. I imagine he and I will still have a lot of societal opinions in common.

I’d prefer him to letter-boxes, stop investigating historic abuse, fuck business Brexiteer Johnson any day....

RedToothBrush Thu 18-Jul-19 14:12:49

Hunt didn't vote...

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RedToothBrush Thu 18-Jul-19 14:11:44

Jim Pickard @PickardJE


Majority of 41 in favour of effectively blocking Boris Johnson from suspending Parliament to carry out a no-deal Brexit

Vote was 315-274

Margot James resigned as culture minister to join the rebellion, several cabinet ministers thought to have abstained...

here is the full list of 17 rebels

and here are the Labour(ish) rebels who backed the government

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flouncyfanny Thu 18-Jul-19 14:10:49

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tobee Thu 18-Jul-19 14:10:29

Thanks for the link Mme. Although I made the mistake of reading the comments afterwards. 🙄

RedToothBrush Thu 18-Jul-19 14:09:56

Margo James resigned her ministerial post as culture minister to join the rebellion forces.

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MmeBufo Thu 18-Jul-19 14:07:29

Eek. 30 Tory abstentions!!

tobee Thu 18-Jul-19 14:06:04

Now BBC Parliament is saying 5 cabinet ministers abstained?

LASH38 Thu 18-Jul-19 14:03:58

@Cheesegreater I didn’t know that. I’ll go and read his reasoning but in any case it does not discredit him as a philanthropist which is why I bought him up in the first place.

Remember after Brexit people were and still are (as seen here) told to go back home. Slogans daubed on doors. Citizens of nowhere, enemies of the people, Jo Cox.

Two cheeks of the same arse indeed.

MmeBufo Thu 18-Jul-19 14:02:40

My internet is very slow today so a link to the list rather than c&p twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1151837407647604737?s=21

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