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Labour will be campaigning for Remain/2nd Referendum

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fedup21 Tue 09-Jul-19 12:47:04

Interesting!

Same old same old, or is this actually news?!

1tisILeClerc Tue 09-Jul-19 12:54:51

I suppose it's 'news' but difficult to see how it actually resolves anything as the 2 new PM candidates say the UK is going out.
The EU are going to need considerable reassurance that a majority in the UK actually want to remain, and thus far there is nothing overwhelming either way.

LouiseCollins28 Tue 09-Jul-19 12:54:54

Seems like it is a shift, the Guardian seems to be writing it up that way, with the caveat that if Labour wins a snap GE then Labour would continue to negotiate leaving with the EU. This apparently raises the prospect of Labour winning a GE, then continuing negotiations to leave but having previously publicly committed to campaigning for Remain, so therefore campaigning against the deal their own negotiators make?!

1tisILeClerc Tue 09-Jul-19 12:57:41

It is only of relevance if there is a GE before the UK leaves, and the choice of this is still in the air (like most things).

Peregrina Tue 09-Jul-19 13:10:17

From the Guardian write up it sounds like a fudge. Just how many GEs have to be lost by parties espousing a form of Brexit for them to get the message that this isn't what the country wants?

"What do we want?" "Er well, we don't quite know."
"When do we want it?" "Er, not sure about that either."

bellinisurge Tue 09-Jul-19 13:26:22

Fudge. Still not enough for me to hold my nose and vote Labour while that twat is in charge.

Oakenbeach Tue 09-Jul-19 13:26:44

What has actually changed about the Labour policy?!

I thought their position was already to campaign for a GE but accept a referendum if that wasn’t possible. I suppose they are now saying that they wouldn’t campaign for a Tory deal in such a referendum, but would they ever have campaigned for it?

It’s just window dressing that will solve nothing for Labour.... they will still be seen as a party that fudges Brexit.

Oakenbeach Tue 09-Jul-19 13:28:33

Seems like it is a shift, the Guardian seems to be writing it up that way

Only to those Remainer Labour supporters who are desperate to convince people of it.... And Brexiteers who will use it as a stick to beat it.

StealthPolarBear Tue 09-Jul-19 15:46:18

Can anyone explain to me how no deal was "legislated against" a few months ago. Seems that was totally meaningless.

1tisILeClerc Tue 09-Jul-19 15:49:55

HoC 'legislating' anything doesn't overrule the international legal position of leaving without a deal if a deal can't be negotiated. From a global viewpoint it is just internal politics and largely meaningless.

StealthPolarBear Tue 09-Jul-19 15:53:18

Thanksfor clarifying. so it was all meaningless and hot air? What a fucking waste of time and effort.

1tisILeClerc Tue 09-Jul-19 16:13:35

To the 'world view' yes, but for UK internal consumption id indicates something although there is so much desperate game playing going on, it just adds to the confusion.
At the end of the day, or more accurately midnight 31 October EU time, the PM has to present the EU negotiators a note that says the UK wants to Revoke, or with an accompanying signed WA document say it wants to leave, or failing that say it wishes to leave without a transition period (crash out).
HOW the UK gets to this decision is up to the UK.

crankysaurus Tue 09-Jul-19 16:20:15

So I I still want to remain I vote not-Tory and not-Labour. Got it.

bellinisurge Tue 09-Jul-19 18:00:58

@crankysaurus SNP/Greens/LibDem/Change. Any of those. Hopefully when it comes to it they will do an election deal and not take votes off each other until normal service is resumed confused

bellinisurge Tue 09-Jul-19 18:01:37

Oops and Plaid (I think)

TheEmpireNoMore Wed 10-Jul-19 02:52:25

Cant see a coalition of 5 parties ever happening. Imagine trying to get 5 parties to make a common policy that ensures voters not shifting between the 5 parties?

The seat system of GE always seems to penalize the smaller parties too.

bellinisurge Wed 10-Jul-19 06:46:21

All it needs is for everyone to back off and leave it to the Lib Dems for now(I don't like the Lib Dems but I dislike No Deal more). This is happening in the by-election. There are no other issues. Just Brexit.

NameChangeNugget Wed 10-Jul-19 06:48:18

Desperate measures from a desperate party

lljkk Sat 13-Jul-19 15:15:41

It's way too grown up for electorate to stomach, but I would love the free-vote suggestion I heard of recently:

Declare Brexit is a non-party issue & let each MP campaign on their own personal position.

Oakenbeach Sat 13-Jul-19 15:42:35

Declare Brexit is a non-party issue & let each MP campaign on their own personal position.

How in earth would help anything! it’s complicated enough without 650 different Brexit opinions!

lljkk Sat 13-Jul-19 15:47:13

Everyone is going to have to compromise in the end. Admitting that, putting the fact front & centre, is quite mature.

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