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Just how exactly are we going to 'bring the country back together'?

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KennDodd Fri 05-Jul-19 21:44:07

Both candidates for PM have claimed they can do this. I heard a Tory party member interviewed on the radio saying that the best way to do this was a 'no deal/WTO/crash out because we'll all be in it together and it'll be like the war'.
I don't know how these wounds are going to heal.

bellinisurge Fri 05-Jul-19 21:48:18

Agree a border in the sea. That's the "alternative arrangement " to the WA.

Bearbehind Fri 05-Jul-19 21:57:24

A border in the sea won’t bring the country back together - quite the opposite.

Scotland will be off next and the United Kingdom will be far from United anymore.

It’s going to take several generations to repair this damage. More still if no deal happens.

Jsmith99 Fri 05-Jul-19 22:01:28

Leave won because the over 65s, who do not have a stake in the country’s future, voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, so revoke A50 and just wait for natural demographic change to entrench a solid majority for Remain.

Problem solved wink

Ohdearthefootball Fri 05-Jul-19 22:02:03

We aren't going to is the blunt answer to the question sadly

Dontlickthetrolley Fri 05-Jul-19 22:04:13

Don't think it'll happen in my life

ThereWillBeAdequateFood Fri 05-Jul-19 22:07:53

I don’t think anyone can bring the country back together.

Brexit seems to have split the country into authoritarians and liberals. In the past there were plenty of authoritarian leaning people and liberal leaning people in both the Tory and Labour parties.

I don’t see a way out of this. And there’s absolutely no hope of that damned lier Johnson or Hunt bringing people together.

ATrampsVest Fri 05-Jul-19 22:11:51

Soft Brexit with CU + SM. Achieves the referendum result whilst inflicting the least amount of damage.

kalinkafoxtrot45 Fri 05-Jul-19 22:13:18

Can’t be done. That’s the sad truth.

Songsofexperience Fri 05-Jul-19 22:15:58

no deal/WTO/crash out because we'll all be in it together and it'll be like the war

It takes a particular kind of idiot to say something like that! The war was not self inflicted!
One half of the country will keep on blaming the other. No deal will only make this thing more and more toxic.

Songsofexperience Fri 05-Jul-19 22:18:22

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Lonelycrab Fri 05-Jul-19 22:19:08

Atrampsvest that won’t alter Freedom of movement though.

I think as long as there is a vacuum in the centre, politically, we are fucked. Someone likeable, and intelligent whose not mental would be a start. Shouldn’t be too much to ask in this day and age, shirley?hmm

Bearbehind Fri 05-Jul-19 22:19:24

In theory a people’s vote should be the least destructive way out of this mess but, whilst I think Remain would win because there’s enough people who’ve seen the damage this is going to cause, there’s still way too many headbangers to make this go away.

ragged Fri 05-Jul-19 22:37:17

"Don't think it'll happen in my life"

^ That's what I go with. My skin is starting to crawl when I hear BJ speak.

Peregrina Fri 05-Jul-19 22:43:28

no deal/WTO/crash out because we'll all be in it together and it'll be like the war

Which evil dictatorship are we fighting, or are you talking of Concentration camps for the 'undesirables'?

Think of the bitterness that there still is between the opposing sides after the Spanish Civil War. Beginning to dissipate now perhaps as the generations which fought each other are dying out.

I think it's too soon for a 'peoples vote' to be effective - there would need to be a very clear majority, which there isn't yet. We would also have to have very strict rules about the claims which could be made, so no more Boris Johnson promises on a bus, which turned out not to be promises.

KennDodd Fri 05-Jul-19 22:47:41

I also think the analogy about the war is particularly stupid. During the war we were all on the same side.

I suppose one ray of hope could be if Brexit did end up delivering the sunlit upland and fabulous riches for us all as promised. I think we can just about wright that off though and even if it did we would still lose our rights as EU citizens and millions of people are going to be angry about that.

KennDodd Fri 05-Jul-19 22:51:30

I'm 50, before 2016 I don't think I had ever had a single conversation with anybody about the EU. I've heard it reported that before the referendum 4% of people listed the EU as an important issue.

Oakenbeach Fri 05-Jul-19 22:52:37

It takes a particular kind of idiot to say something like that! The war was not self inflicted!

Indeed, it is idiotically stupid.... Why not go the whole hog and send up planes to bomb us whilst we scuttle into bomb shelters!

tobee Fri 05-Jul-19 22:55:37

A quick look at wiki tells me that 67,200 civilians died in the UK during World War II. Is this something we should aspire to then?

Peregrina Fri 05-Jul-19 23:04:07

Not only that, it wasn't all hunky dory during the war - there were black marketeers making a nice profit. My grandmother used to talk of a butcher who was known as a Little Hitler. After the war, she never crossed the door of his shop again.

Then losing everything when you were bombed out, losing loved ones?

KennDodd - I don't think I have heard any conversations about the EU either, and I am 68. Now suddenly the trueBeLeavers are experts about the WTO and the ECJ which they are against, and in 90% of cases give the impression of knowing F All about either.

Jsmith99 Fri 05-Jul-19 23:09:21

I'm 50, before 2016 I don't think I had ever had a single conversation with anybody about the EU. I've heard it reported that before the referendum 4% of people listed the EU as an important issue.

Exactly.

The whole point and purpose of the referendum was to settle an internal argument within the Conservative party and to placate a handful of powerful media barons.

KennDodd Fri 05-Jul-19 23:12:35

And the person interviewed who made the war comment has a vote on who should be PM.

tobee Fri 05-Jul-19 23:25:25

My mil, who was born in 1938, was astonished and disbelieving when I talked about the fact plenty of serial killers, black marketeers, looters, thieves etc thrived during the war. She truly believed the propaganda that everyone pulled together in the war. There was no crime.

Being seven when the war ended, and those who were young just after the war would have had listened to lots of talk about the blitz spirit while they were growing up. I suppose it was because people were suffering from rationing and housing shortages etc for so long afterwards, to remind people it was all for a good reason.

LifeContinues Sat 06-Jul-19 03:56:47

Leave won because the over 65s, who do not have a stake in the country’s future, voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, so revoke A50 and just wait for natural demographic change to entrench a solid majority for Remain

UK population is aging, not getting younger. Look it up on the ONS (Office National Statistics)

LifeContinues Sat 06-Jul-19 03:59:55

In theory a people’s vote That was the 23 June 2016 referendum

Brexit Party is second in the polls

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