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Westminstenders: Long live liberalism

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RedToothBrush Sun 30-Jun-19 11:54:08

Talk of its demise are premature.

(Sorry up to eyeballs this weekend)

lonelyplanetmum Sun 30-Jun-19 11:56:22

Phew RTB.

I was worried fir an hour or so then. I reckon this weekend is always the busiest of the year!

GeistohneGrenzen Sun 30-Jun-19 12:08:34

...what with moving house an' all? Thanks Red smile

1tisILeClerc Sun 30-Jun-19 12:09:20

Thanks again RTB.
I suppose sitting in the sun you can just forget Brexit for a while.

1tisILeClerc Sun 30-Jun-19 12:10:18

Well that's my excuse. Hope your house move is going OK.

lonelyplanetmum Sun 30-Jun-19 12:14:06

Good Luck in the new Red house.

ContinuityError Sun 30-Jun-19 12:26:27

PMK

OublietteBravo Sun 30-Jun-19 12:31:53

PMK.

QueenOfThorns Sun 30-Jun-19 12:39:08

Found you! PMK

BigChocFrenzy Sun 30-Jun-19 13:00:50

Thanks, red 💐

My social circle - gym, neigbours, work colleagues - are amazingly well informed and interested in Brexit
They see me and immediately want to get my opinion on the latest
Not all mc by any means, but there does seem more awareness & interest here of foreign events, climate change etc

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

Iambuffy Sun 30-Jun-19 13:03:48

A relieved pmk smile

prettybird Sun 30-Jun-19 13:13:57

Making himself comfortable in the heat - the ultimate in regal cat place marking wink

howabout Sun 30-Jun-19 13:14:05

Would be really interested in your German friends' current thinking on Brexit BCF? Mine are fairly neutral on geopolitics but really interested in hearing my views. I wonder if this is typical (also MC academic types)

wherearemychickens Sun 30-Jun-19 13:15:15

I thought this was an interesting tweet, looking at the replies:

mobile.twitter.com/mritson89/status/1145135414472298497

Basically, is Brexit worse than the Thatcher years. General consensus appears to be yes.

DGRossetti Sun 30-Jun-19 13:29:07

Apparently McCluskey is telling labour "don't panic" about Brexit ..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48817398

1tisILeClerc Sun 30-Jun-19 13:37:27

From BBC 'report'.
{He told the BBC it should not rush to back remaining in the EU and should wait for the party's consultation.}

Well they have had 3 years to think of something, what the hell are they doing?

pointythings Sun 30-Jun-19 14:07:17

Meanwhile it turns out Jeremy Hunt courts the cult of Brexit a bit harder. Must be nice to be a business owner and be told your sacrifice will be worth it... www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/30/jeremy-hunt-i-would-tell-bust-businesses-no-deal-brexit-was-worth-it

RedToothBrush Sun 30-Jun-19 14:12:10

Yes house move...

Not much fun in this heat.

And IKEA is hell on earth on the last Sunday before the end of their sale.

I've got limited Internet as I've no broadband for the next couple of weeks. I'm around but have to take it easy on data usage.

1tisILeClerc Sun 30-Jun-19 14:14:06

From article linked above:
{“If we got to the end of October and we’ve got a deal and we’re trying to get it through parliament but we need a few more parliamentary days, I’m not going to rip up that deal. Boris is,” he said.}

Well the EU are not going to reopen the WA so what the hell is he talking about?
I think business owners (and all their employees) might have a few choice words to say if/when they go bust.

1tisILeClerc Sun 30-Jun-19 14:15:51

{And IKEA is hell on earth on the last Sunday before the end of their sale. }
What WERE you thinking?

BigChocFrenzy Sun 30-Jun-19 14:27:36

howabout Sympathy for what will happen to ordinary Brits, total contempt & exasperation for Brit politicians
My colleagues - admittedly mc professionals - even knew the minutae of the Tory leadership rules

Gym buds (mostly wc, non-professional) and neighbours know - or at least know now - the importance of the Single Market for prosperity and the implications of the Irish border

There was a secondary school exam question a year or so ago - may have been current affairs ? English studies ? - about what to do about the border and the fav proposal was to let NI vote on the backstop.

BJ is particularly despised, because of his remarks about Germans / govt being Nazis
Most Germans can read English and for the Ossies & older ones, the papers translate
Similar anti-German comments by other Brexiters also widely known;
even that AfD canvasser, who lectured me about how Brits are of mixed European ancestry, so European FOM is fine, was spitting with fury

Such insults always remove sympathy, whichever country smear modern Germany with Nazi crimes from so long ago

There have been a few polls about whether Germany / the EU should offer better terms to the UK and the results are overwhelming, 70%+, that the policy is about right,
with 10%+ that the EU is making too many concessions to the UK

No Deal seems to have been priced in for several months now; estimated it will lower German GDP by about 0.7%
Not great with them being caught in the middle of the Trump-China trade war, auto industry struggling with CO2 measures,
but it's accepted that any damage to the SM would be much more harmful

Firms seem to have removed British forms from the supplier chain
Even British food / goods I used to be able to get in the shops, or online, are no longer available

BigChocFrenzy Sun 30-Jun-19 14:28:38

She was thinking *IKEA meatballs* 😂

borntobequiet Sun 30-Jun-19 14:38:23

Was panicking, where had Westminstenders gone? Cyberzapped by Putin? Beaten up by associates of BJ? Now placemarking. Thanks Red. Enjoy your new house.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo Sun 30-Jun-19 14:40:21

Relieved PMK!

prettybird Sun 30-Jun-19 14:41:06

Speaking of BJ, this goes a long way to explaining why the Scots even the Conservative ones wink don't like him and why The Times found in their latest Panelbase survey that support for an Indyref2 was now in the majority - and if he were leader, would vote Yes for Independence <not sure whether to put grin, hmm or wink there to close wink>

"AN extraordinary faux pas was made by would-be prime minister Boris Johnson yesterday when he said the UK already had an England-only parliament – and it was Westminster.

He made the slip at a Tory leadership hustings in Carlisle where he was asked if there was a case for devolution in England.

“I’m not convinced there is a case for an England-only parliament,” he said. “We have an England-only parliament. It’s Westminster. It’s been there for a long time. I’m not disposed to create another parliament.”

Johnson also said he would use some of the £5 million Westminster spends every year on advertising to put “a Union flag” on any money spent in Scotland. He said it was “ridiculous” that the devolved government was “claiming the credit” for “what was really a scheme or investment from the UK”.

“Let’s flag it up properly,” he said. “Let’s put a Union flag on this stuff and not let it be claimed by the Scot Nats.”

He added that he would also look at creating a “unit for the Union” in No 10 and would be announcing something today to “enhance and support the Union”.

Asked what he would do if he became prime minister and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon wanted permission for another referendum, he said the 2014 vote had been a “once in a generation” event and he could see “no reason at all in going over that again”.

He went on to say that Sturgeon would be “bonkers” and “deranged” if an independent Scotland resulted in a hard border with England.

“I think if Nicola Sturgeon – and I want to be polite here but deranged springs to mind – were to impose a hard border on people coming from the rest of the UK to Scotland or goods and services coming from the rest of the UK to Scotland it would be absurd,” said Johnson.

“But of course we will not be doing any such thing. We will impose no borders ourselves nor do I think for a second that anything like that will happen.

“One of the advantages of Brexit – and I don’t think people fully understand this – is that far from threatening the Union Brexit, if it is done right and sensibly, is going to cement and intensify our great Union, the awesome foursome of our country.”

Johnson said the SNP would “not have much of a song to sing” once the UK came out of the EU.

He claimed the SNP wanted to join the Euro and submit Scotland to the “entire panoply” of EU rules.

He said the “kicker” was their “brilliant” plan to “hand back control of Scotland’s fisheries to Brussels” just when the UK had “recovered control of its fisheries” and just when Scotland was on the verge of having “the power and incredible potential to develop the industry”.

He said the SNP had no chance of getting elected if they put that in their manifesto.

“Brexit done sensibly and properly holds out a fantastic prospect of unifying our country in all sorts of ways and cementing the Union,” he said.

He said that independence for Scotland had been “honestly and expertly discussed” in the run-up to the 2014 vote just as the issues had been debated before the Brexit vote and in both cases the voters had come to the “right” conclusion.

“In the case of the Scottish referendum it was made absolutely clear at that time that it was a once in a generation event and I see no reason at all in going over that again,” he said.

“Whatever you may say about referendums they do divide people one from another, they do divide families, they do divide societies and I think what people all want now is for people to come together and unite.”

Johnson went on to pay tribute to Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson for the “extraordinary” rebirth of the Conservative Party in Scotland at the last election.

“It showed to me the strength of Unionism north of the Border and that people are voting now for the sensible Unionist party which is the Conservatives,” he said.

Returning to his theme that Brexit would strengthen the Union, he added: “Being Foreign Secretary as I was, you really understand quite how valued this country is around the world and it is not valued as England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales. It is valued as the UK – our military forces, our diplomats, our reputation for science or tackling climate change – it is the UK that is loved and admired around the world and to damage that is crazy.” "

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