Democracy???

(91 Posts)
nooddsocksforme Tue 25-Jun-19 19:34:17

It seems unbelievable to me that either Hunt or Boris could be our next pm. For all those people who say a second referendum is undemocratic , what about the fact that who is the next Pm, and will potentially allow us to leave with no deal, will be decided by a group of entitled and self interested Tory voters. There is no democracy in evidence there.
The backstop is a huge issue but everyone seems to have forgotten about Scotland. The current debacle , which shows Tory politicians more interested in their own agendas than the future of this country, and a non existent opposition party , will inevitably lead to Scottish independence in my opinion. Scotland voted to remain, and has no time for this self serving , entitled attitude to government.
Will there then be a hard border between England and Scotland. Where will Ireland’s loyalty’s lie. Will England become increasing isolated and xenophobic

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bellinisurge Thu 04-Jul-19 10:33:13

"^Has USA developed long term illness from the food they eat?^"

I'm in a number of US based Facebook homesteading groups. The number of times they message the group (nationwide groups, btw) with media reports of infected mass produced meat or contaminated mass produced veg is shocking.

Peregrina Thu 04-Jul-19 10:19:43

I don't know the answer about fast foods globally being pumped with antibiotics but at a guess I would suspect significant numbers are.

I have read of concerns about the overuse of agricultural antibiotics in China, for example.

LifeContinues Thu 04-Jul-19 04:02:44

You need to look at the whole longterm picture not just the effect it had on you on holiday

About 30% of the World population is obese. The spread of Western fast food is considered to be the cause along with reduced physical activity.

Are all fast foods sold around the World pumped with Antibiotics or Hormone treated?

Mistigri Wed 03-Jul-19 20:17:13

*Has USA developed long term illness from the food they eat?*

US life expectancy is falling quite dramatically in people my age or a bit older. Obviously a lot of this is due to other factors (prescription drug abuse, inability to access preventative healthcare) but diet will play quite a big role in this.

Peregrina Wed 03-Jul-19 19:56:58

Antibiotic resistence yes, and sadly one which was predicted.

timeforakinderworld Wed 03-Jul-19 15:40:29

It's not just obesity. Antibiotic resistance is one of the most serious threats to human health we are currently facing and US cattle are pumped full of them - up to 16 times as much as EU raised animals. You need to look at the whole longterm picture not just the effect it had on you on holiday. confused

LifeContinues Wed 03-Jul-19 00:42:13

The obesity issue in USA is attributable to the quantity of what people eat and the cheap fast food that is everywhere. Lifestyle choice as opposed to the food being inherently unhealthy. Go to California where they all want to be Hollywood stars it is very different to the rest of USA

Peregrina Tue 02-Jul-19 19:11:44

The UK is going the same way, I believe that the latest figures show a rise in infant mortality. This strongly correlates to the health of the nation.

timeforakinderworld Tue 02-Jul-19 19:07:26

Has USA developed long term illness from the food they eat?
Peregrina beat me to it but YES.

lljkk Tue 02-Jul-19 18:50:03

From the Leave Poster-Boy.

Peregrina Tue 02-Jul-19 18:38:42

Has USA developed long term illness from the food they eat?

For a developed wealthy country the answer is yes. Look at the problems they have with obesity as one example. See also their infant mortality rates
www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#item-infant-mortality-higher-u-s-comparable-countries

1tisILeClerc Tue 02-Jul-19 17:49:38

{EU has raised the bar on standards to keep cheaper alternatives off the shelves to protect their cartel and the profits.}
That is rather a cynical view. A 'race to the bottom' is not one to be admired, but a system where the animals are treated well (as long as possible given their usual quick demise), the farmers are paid fairly, and the minimum of damaging pesticides/antibiotics are used is all to be commended. If you don't establish and uphold minimum standards the results can be varied and usually unpleasant. Intensive farming has always thrown up problems with salt killing crops in the USA, ripping out trees encouraging wind stripping topsoil, and so on. Many 'Westerners' consume about double the calories they actually need, especially if they have a sedentary lifestyle, and combined with unnecessary wastage, the planet cannot afford to keep giving.

LifeContinues Tue 02-Jul-19 17:40:06

We are talking about long term health consequences for everyone not about your digestion

Has USA developed long term illness from the food they eat? Has Australia developed long term illness from the beef they eat? EU has raised the bar on standards to keep cheaper alternatives off the shelves to protect their cartel and the profits.

Peregrina Tue 02-Jul-19 17:14:47

No issues with that. I have worked in India several times I can vouch for their ability.

You may not, but how many of the 17.5 million Leavers do you speak for? The man who has just been fined and ordered to do community service for telling a black Briton serving him in a betting shop that 'You will be gone when Brexit happens', would almost certainly not agree with you. If he is discomfited by more black and brown skin people arriving then 'tough luck, this is what your anti-immigrant vote has brought about' is all I could say to him.

BackInTime Tue 02-Jul-19 16:56:07

@LifeContinues I'm not sure that those who voted largely because of immigration issues and for reasons implied by the 'Breaking Point' poster campaign are aware that future trade deals depend on Visas for countries like India.

timeforakinderworld Tue 02-Jul-19 16:54:55

Has it made me ill?
Oh for goodness sake, it's not about whether it personally makes you I'll you know. We are talking about long term health consequences for everyone not about your digestion. Maybe actually read up about it before making inane comments?

1tisILeClerc Tue 02-Jul-19 14:32:17

The majority of Brits don't like the fish species caught in UK waters and most is traded directly to Europe.

1tisILeClerc Tue 02-Jul-19 14:31:07

{but UK will be okay for such once fishing is returned to UK}

Largely a 'red herring' in the EU debate because the value of the fish is so low compared to the other industry of the UK. While it has a 'feelz' factor, it is not going to make a significant difference to the UK GDP.

LifeContinues Tue 02-Jul-19 14:18:16

My understanding is that India would require a deal that provides large numbers of visas to Indians wishing to go to the UK

No issues with that. I have worked in India several times I can vouch for their ability. A population of that size has to have some very capable people.

The US will require a lowering of food standards to allow their products be sold in the UK

No issues with that either. Worked in USA for 2 years and have visited USA many time on holiday. Their food has not made me ill. So all this nonsense about chlorinated chicken is just to scare people as EU does not want people to be offered cheaper alternatives as is exposes their cartel. Same with Australian beef being hormone treated. I currently live in Malaysia and a lot of food comes from Australia. Has it made me ill? Never.

Japan and South Korea are not major exporters of food.

Greenland exports a lot of fish products, but once out of the EU the UK will be able to source themselves

Mexico export fruit, vegtables and coffee

Ukraine exports mostly minerals and petroleum products

Turkey is more into apparel and textiles

Iceland exports fish products, but UK will be okay for such once fishing is returned to UK

South Africa export is mostly gold, diamonds, minerals, machinery, cars.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood Tue 02-Jul-19 14:16:39

The UK hasn't been self sufficient in food for a long time. I think it's something like a century and a half now

It’s shocking just how unaware many people are of this. We couldn’t sustain our population in 1939 when there were only 47,000,000 people.

Peregrina Tue 02-Jul-19 13:39:37

The UK hasn't been self sufficient in food for a long time. I think it's something like a century and a half now. We have always also been reliant on imported labour for the harvesting of the crops we do grow.

The days when East Enders went hop picking in the summer holidays are gone. Just imagine how a bunch of Bankers from Canary Wharf would cope!

Isthisafreename Tue 02-Jul-19 13:22:39

@LifeContinues - and are you going to answer the second part of the question? What can they offer the UK and vice-versa? My understanding is that India would require a deal that provides large numbers of visas to Indians wishing to go to the UK. The US will require a lowering of food standards to allow their products be sold in the UK.

Equally, I'm not sure why you are so dismissive of the other countries with whom the EU have trade deals. Many of them are big exporters of food. The UK is not self-sufficient so needs to import food.

Peregrina Tue 02-Jul-19 13:16:28

Yes well, May and Johnson made a great fanfare of running to India to discuss Trade Deals. They came back with considerably less publicity when the Indians said Trade Deals - more visas for us.

LifeContinues Tue 02-Jul-19 13:13:41

To IsThisAFreeName

Any of the Countries marked in yellow or pink as deals not yet fully concluded and still up for grabs.

USA
Australia
India
Saudi
Indonesia

The Countries marked in Green, other than Japan and South Korea, that EU has an agreement are nothing to get excited about.

Greenland
Mexico
Ukraine
Turkey
Iceland
South Africa

Bearbehind Tue 02-Jul-19 13:04:05

life is just demonstrating exactly what pisses Remainer off so much - a complete lack of ability to read behind the slogans.

Throughout these threads he/she has been going on about trade deals which will see the UK prosper, to the extent that we grow faster than any other other EU country, and yet it turns out he/she doesn’t even know who we currently have deals with, let alone what other deals we want.

Surely, even if only admitting it to yourself, there comes a point when you realise you are saying stuff even you can’t support and decide it’s best to stop saying it.

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