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The price conservative members will pay to get Brexit

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GrouchoMrx Tue 18-Jun-19 13:07:25

The diagram says it all.

Leafyhouse Tue 18-Jun-19 13:09:09

So just tell them that Brexit will make Corbyn become the PM. Simples!

Random18 Tue 18-Jun-19 13:30:41

When have the Tories ever cared about Scotland...............

1tisILeClerc Tue 18-Jun-19 13:32:05

{When have the Tories ever cared about Scotland...............}

When they wanted to know the results from the 'testing area'.

Bearbehind Tue 18-Jun-19 14:40:17

They really are thick as shit aren’t they.

If the Tories deliver a hard Brexit and screw the country they will be put on their ear anyway

rosie39forever Tue 18-Jun-19 17:05:48

I explained about euroatom to a Tory/brexiters family member recently, about what would happen under no deal to radiotherapy services in the UK and about how the Royal College of Radiotherapists had alerted the government that there would be many deaths if we weren't a member, and my family member looked me in the eye and said it was a price worth paying for our freedom from the EU .🤯

Oakenbeach Tue 18-Jun-19 17:17:56

So much for the Conservative and Unionist Party!

Peregrina Tue 18-Jun-19 17:44:25

and my family member looked me in the eye and said it was a price worth paying for our freedom from the EU .

Will this family member still sing the same tune if anyone close to them gets cancer, or will it just be one of those things?

The stupidity of some people just does not bear thinking about.

Bearbehind Tue 18-Jun-19 18:13:21

If there was any justice it would be those who say it’s a price worth paying that are the ones who get cancer.

It’s it awful that this is what we’ve descended to.

Peregrina Tue 18-Jun-19 18:30:14

I would not wish cancer on anyone having lost two grandparents to it, DH's cousin and close friends. But I really think that those who think that the EU is so terrible that it's worse than not being able to access cancer treatment are fools.

Not that everyone chooses radiotherapy - some decide to turn it down in favour of monitoring the situation, but at present that is a choice; it won't be a choice if its not available. Or only available to those wealthy enough to go abroad for treatment.

rosie39forever Tue 18-Jun-19 19:09:01

That person was my father... I asked him was my life or the life of his granddaughter worth it and surprise surprise he said it's project fear and the government would never let it happen, only a matter of months before I was diagnosed with a fairly serious precancerous condition which needs regular treatment, I have to question weather we are related..

It's like they have joined a fucking cult.

Peregrina Tue 18-Jun-19 19:20:08

Sorry to hear that rosie. Hope your treatment goes well. BIL has just been treated for cancer, so far so good, and I felt mighty glad that Brexit hadn't happened and the treatment was still available.

rosie39forever Tue 18-Jun-19 19:25:49

Thank you, hope BIL comes out of the otherside healthy.

KennDodd Tue 18-Jun-19 22:47:50

I wonder what Arlene's thinking looking at how much the Tory members value the union with NI?

BackInTime Wed 19-Jun-19 09:25:09

It's like they have joined a fucking cult

I seriously believe that the quest for Brexit is akin to a cult. All rational thinking has gone and you just cannot reason with people about the consequences because they really don't care they just want Brexit at any cost. Part of me feels that the only way to fix this is to actually leave.

Quellium Wed 19-Jun-19 09:30:29

I know people like this who are desperate for No Deal. One of them has just been diagnosed with a very serious life-threatening illness. I feel sick knowing the consequences of No Deal in relation to this illness, but they think it's all Project Fear. They were perfectly fine with the idea of a Norway style relationship prior to the referendum. Now it's No Deal is the only way. They've been radicalised.

Even my own mother is spouting bullshit about 'We didn't win the war to be told what to do by the EU!'. (She can't name a single law passed that has had an adverse effect on her life though). Radicalised. So upsetting.

Quellium Wed 19-Jun-19 09:31:52

^all of those people are lifelong Daily Mail readers. It's poison.

1tisILeClerc Wed 19-Jun-19 09:35:35

{all of those people are lifelong Daily Mail readers.}
To be fair, DM 'readers' only need to be able to count to 2.

HasThisSoddingNameGoneToo Wed 19-Jun-19 10:29:21

I felt sick last night watching the PM candidates chatting about No Deal so casually.

bellinisurge Wed 19-Jun-19 10:42:23

It's important to remember that most older Tories are the Children of the wartime generation - baby boomers. Their parents protected them from the reality of WWII and post war rationing. They have never known anything other than the Welfare State. I'm at the tail end of the baby boomer generation and grew up watching uplifting War films on wet Sundays on BBC2. Adventures and noble hearts. Great stuff.
It was only when my parents were at the end of their lives that they opened up about the reality of WWII and post war austerity. My Mum's final vote was for Remain. She had, in her time, abstained from voting or voted Tory (and once for UKIP in their first GE).

KennDodd Wed 19-Jun-19 21:45:10

I'm sure I've seen some research saying that the WW2 generation, so about 90+ voted Remain at a similar percentage as under 25s. I'll see if I can find it.

Peregrina Wed 19-Jun-19 23:05:13

My now 96 year old MIL voted Remain (all our other parents had passed away). This is despite reading the Daily Mail.

DH says he voted Remain but is now a Lexiter and says that left wing Leavers have no one to vote for. Yes they do - Labour, but he won't hear that this is at best a fence sitting party, not a Remain party.

DF used to talk about the war - he lived in Hull for part of it - he said they were bombed night after night because the bombers would go over, miss their target and on the return see the city lit up by the Humber Estuary and wham, dump their load. He said it never made the news. People were utterly sick of it.

DM talked about how butchers especially would chop their fingers off rather than give you half an ounce more meat - often known as little Hitlers.

Oh yes, the war was fun! To be fair, I think MIL had a good war - she was married by the time they called her age group up, and she had good quality, interesting and well paid war work. Most of the family who fought returned - so they were relatively lucky .But I have never heard her eulogise about how wonderful it was.

HateIsNotGood Thu 20-Jun-19 01:14:34

Nope - I don't recall any of my parents or grandparents, all of whom lived (some fought) through WW2 (one fought in WW1) who ever, ever said those Wars, or any War, were a good thing at all; if anything, War was discussed, if ever, in negative terms.

Maybe that is why I've upheld Peace as the paramount thing since I can remember, and later, as I got to know the younger Uncles, surviving Aden, Korea and Vietnam and then the friends, surviving NI, Iran, Afghanistan....the EU hasn't stopped it really...just created another border to defend and fight for.

It's either a truly borderless world or one made up of many, many countries - no blocs, no federations - just places with people that live there. The EU counters that ideal and doesn't forward it.

TheSultanofPingu Thu 20-Jun-19 08:19:11

It's absolutely crazy!
The 61% who are willing to risk a serious economic downturn will no doubt be protected in their wealthy bubble. Selfish twats.

TheSultanofPingu Thu 20-Jun-19 08:20:10

I mean serious damage to the UK economy.

KennDodd Thu 20-Jun-19 08:28:53

And the break up of the UK. I follow Vote Leave on FB I'm not surprised by the survey at all. Leavers (most I know or see ol) don't give a shit about the peace in NI either.

1tisILeClerc Thu 20-Jun-19 08:48:18

{no blocs, no federations - just places with people that live there.}

So what 'level' would you propose? A world regime like Russia, China, or N Korea?
The EU as a bloc of primarily Western Europeans but have expanded to the East to try and improve the livelihoods of Latvians, Romanians etc, encouraged by previous UK governments I would add.
The EU as a 'body' is not really set up as a military force in the way that the separate countries within it are. If, say the Russians were to reinvade Poland, then Poland can request assistance from other EU countries, be it diplomatic pressure from Brussels, or materials or military personnel etc.

Peregrina Thu 20-Jun-19 08:51:36

I am one of the baby boomer generation, and I think those that think their pensions will be protected could well find that they are deluding themselves. They might not be the first to be cut, but cuts will come.

I am not at all surprised by Leave UK voters wanting the break up of the UK - we have seen posters on here not realising that NI is part of the UK.

sashh Thu 20-Jun-19 09:57:04

rosie39forever

I explained that no pacemakers are made in the UK so there could be similar problems, they shrugged and said, "Well I don't need one so I don't care".

This is someone who's business is gel nails, something that is a luxury so wil be imparcted if we are all paying more for food and utilities.

rosie39forever Thu 20-Jun-19 11:11:29

The attitude of I don't care It won't affect me makes me so sad, what the hell has happened to this country that no one gives a shit about anything outside of their bubble. A lot of people blame consumer society and advance in technology for this but in my experience it's not the young tech savvy younger generation that think like this it's the pension age generation, who dont care (and before anyone objects this is my experience)

Songsofexperience Thu 20-Jun-19 12:20:33

the pension age generation, who dont care (and before anyone objects this is my experience)

I don't want to tar every one with the same brush as I know many very decent Boomers (not least my own parents!). However I think a large portion of that generation took the 60s/70s hedonism as an excuse for unfettered selfishness without consideration for anyone or anything else.
These people are basically human locusts. Sadly.

BackInTime Thu 20-Jun-19 15:02:00

I agree re baby boomer generation, my personal experience of leavers is Tory voting PIL, work colleagues and clients of this generation. They are all very much in the I'm alright Jack bubble having benefited from huge house price rises, inheritances and generous pensions. They simply have no comprehension of how difficult it is for the younger generations in today's world trying to make ends meet. That they are willing to inflict harm through economic turmoil on their children and grandchildren is truly despicable.

Ellie56 Thu 20-Jun-19 16:52:41

I saw this the other day and was truly shock. I cannot believe people of my generation are so unbelievably selfish, narrow minded and stupid! angry

It's like they've all been brainwashed.

David Cameron has so much to answer for...

Theworldisfullofgs Thu 20-Jun-19 16:58:40

Its like they have joined a fucking cult.

They have.

SonEtLumiere Thu 20-Jun-19 22:05:30

I wonder how many are prepared to pay if the price is all of those things?

Really awful.

RosaWaiting Thu 20-Jun-19 22:08:38

"If there was any justice it would be those who say it’s a price worth paying that are the ones who get cancer."

WTAF.

Peregrina Thu 20-Jun-19 22:20:00

Not all baby boomers have generous pensions - it's mostly men who do. Women tended to miss out, and when we started working lots of better paid areas of work were effectively closed to us.

I believe also that joining the then Common Market meant that different wage rates for men and women had to go. Up to then it was quite common to pay a woman half that of a man. Well of course, the BBC still do that so we still have a long way to go.

ssd Thu 20-Jun-19 22:38:54

What I don't get is why are we having this countdown to the new PM ? Brexit was one vote and that's it. A general election is one vote and that's it. This carry on is a vote then a debate then a vote then a debate then a vote then a debate..... And on it goes.
It's like a continuous advert for the tory party. All they are doing is putting off sorting or discussing Brexit. There's nothing about what will happen, only the latest countdown. Don't the party have a policy on what will happen, does the PM get to make what they want happen??
It's way beyond a total joke now.

ssd Thu 20-Jun-19 22:44:13

And another thing, are the media ever going to ask anyone outside the shires of England their opinions on this?
All I see are English people being asked their opinions? What about Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland? I've hardly seen anyone from outside England being asked.. As for young people being asked their opinion it almost never happens.

1tisILeClerc Fri 21-Jun-19 08:21:23

From the minute the result of the referendum was announced in 2016, many people realised the enormity of the problem of actually disentangling the UK from the EU. There are of course vested interests in taking discussions in opposing directions (disaster capitalism being one) but no one is able to close Pandora's box, so it is one diversion tactic after another to avoid having to make a decision.

ssd Fri 21-Jun-19 18:32:02

Yes it does feel like that.

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