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StealthPolarBear Sun 26-May-19 22:07:11

I really am. It feels like we're hurtling towards no deal Brexit with a coward and idiot at the helm who couldnt organise a booze up in a brewery.
What are we heading for? Huge economic crash? War?

oreoxoreo Wed 19-Jun-19 09:47:14

I am terrified too. I am 'guilty' of being an immigrant and of having taken a civil service job , leavers would presume from a British person? I have met so many leavers blindly listening to Farage and Trump shit. I can't leave because my ex (my DC dad) is here and I would be depriving my kids of their father. Otherwise I am no longer sentimentally attached to UK like I was before.

AlphaJura Sun 02-Jun-19 08:12:08

I am terrified for people like my friend. She has MH issues including anxiety. It was being worsened by things like living in an unsecure building and a spate of stabbings in our town. She launched a tirade on fb against Jeremy Corbyn. When someone asked why she hated him so much she said it's his fault 'we haven't left yet' and 'I care about the nhs'. She is not getting the therapy and support she needs due to lack of funding (austerity I think) so she is getting angry about the state of the nhs. She obviously voted for Brexit thinking it will help the nhs. Maybe even believed the bus, I don't know sad. Now like him or loathe him, I don't think it's JC's fault we haven't left. She seemed to think he was frustrating the process during talks with TM. Truth is, there's a lot more to it than that. I don't think she's even considered the NI border issue because she's going through so much. She said she 'just wanted change '. She thinks Nigel Farage knows what he's talking about and the Brexit party is a 'good concept'. It really worries me, vulnerable people like this who vote for 'change' ie Brexit thinking it will solve their problems like crime and funding for the nhs when it will most likely make things worse. I tried to explain as did some others but I'm not sure it went in.

derxa Sat 01-Jun-19 17:49:47

My birthday, Halloween, is a scary day. This year, the year I turn 40 will be extra terrifying and nothing to do with ghouls and ghosts. The horrors and evils are all running Brexit. Stealth this year I will turn 60. I voted Remain but there's fuck all I can do about what is happening now apart from voting against Brexit and Brexit parties. Voltaire counselled against dim witted optimism in Candide but there is a difference between that and stultifying pessimism. In the end all we can do is cultivate our garden whatever that garden is.

1tisILeClerc Sat 01-Jun-19 07:54:21

Brexit is bad enough but what is glaringly obvious is the degree that the UK government is buggered. It has shown itself to be incapable of making a firm decision and making things happen.
After 3 years it is getting worse not better and there is no sign of it improving.
Bad things can and do happen and the UK government is deluded to think that it can't happen at home.

namechange0123 Sat 01-Jun-19 06:19:41

I am terrified too @StealthPolarBear.

I'm EU and in theory have nothing to be afraid of as I have acquired my British citizenship, as has DH - consequently, DS is dual citizen from birth.

But our jobs are strictly dependent on the budget the government will define for public expenditure and that can change quite a lot if the economy crashes.

Also, DH only comes back at weekends, I'm enjoying the help of PIL who have moved here semi-permanently to stay with us, and they might have to go back home for 3 months after every 3 months or apply for a visa, which is sad. Freedom of movement is one of the best outcomes of the EU.

But besides personal circumstances, I find everything so disheartening. I don't want to go back to my f** country as someone would say, as it's also dominated by an idiotic far-right individual (any guesses? Lol)

Terrified for NI too.

PCPlumsTruncheon Sat 01-Jun-19 04:59:51

I’m rambling now but the point I was trying to make was that over 3,000 people died in the troubles. My husband’s best friend’s wife was killed in the Omagh bombing along with her mum. She was pregnant with twins. She left 3 children behind.
The fact that Politicians can say that the Good Friday Agreement can just be chucked out of the window absolutely sickens me

PCPlumsTruncheon Fri 31-May-19 22:33:23

I remember people on here when they declared the referendum saying ‘what about the Irish border’?
It seemed to occur to people on Mumsnet that it might be an issue before it occurred to David Cameron

PCPlumsTruncheon Fri 31-May-19 21:57:56

Stealth I haven’t read the whole thread which is generally something I generally do religiously before I post but I absolutely get where you are coming from.
It just feels like the world has turned into a very dark place and Brexit is a symptom of that.
My husband is Northern Irish and the first time I went there was in 1996. I still have this vision of driving through the border where there were soldiers with guns.
He has 6 siblings that are dotted around either side of the border and, when we visit, we go through the border about 10 times a day and the only thing you notice is that the signs change front miles to kms.
The Good Friday agreement was one of most amazing things in history- it united the Labour and Conservative party.
People had to bite their lip and see people who had murdered their child let out of jail but they did it to stop the endless ‘tit for tat’
I have 3 children and I am beyond furious about what Brexit is going to do to their futures.
My son is at Imperial college doing biomedical science. He is fascinated with pharmacology. The European Medicine Agency moved its HQ from London to Amsterdam because of Brexit.
That would have been the perfect job for him/
I get you. I understand.

howwudufeel Fri 31-May-19 21:09:21

It’s ridiculous that my post was deleted.

pallisers Fri 31-May-19 20:33:34

I saw my Dad this morning. He saw people machine gunned in the street in his home country.

So did many citizens of the United Kingdom. They are understandably a bit worried it might start again if the peace treaty which ended the civil war is overturned.

KennDodd Fri 31-May-19 20:17:02

Met someone a while ago who said modern people don't go to war. I thought he was quite stupid .

KennDodd Fri 31-May-19 20:15:44

Oh dear! What happened here?

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IvanaPee Fri 31-May-19 15:58:51

Who are we going to war with?

How disgustingly narrow-minded.

StealthPolarBear Fri 31-May-19 15:27:19

Apparently there's a small issue in ireland

1tisILeClerc Fri 31-May-19 15:06:59

{Who are we going to war with?}

With the ever escalating claims and counterclaims by leavers and possibly some Remainers with the country pretty well divided there is going to be a lot of tension before too long. Either Remainers being furious that the UK is getting trashed by leaving, or leavers getting furious if the UK doesn't leave, or still furious when the unicorns don't arrive.
None of it looks like 'happy times' and it is going to take a lot of careful management by whichever government to try and calm all sides.
So far the country is only united in hating the WA but for many different reasons.

DockerDre Fri 31-May-19 14:30:08

Who are we going to war with?

StealthPolarBear Fri 31-May-19 13:53:21

Live in a bubble

Ihaventgottimeforthis Fri 31-May-19 13:27:37

It's alright LeClerc I'm taking the piss.

People who laugh at the prospect of us being involved in a war have either very short memories or very little awareness, or most likely, both.

1tisILeClerc Fri 31-May-19 12:56:12

{Look it's fine, wars only affect other countries, us British have figured out how to end war for ever.}

I can only presume you are taking the piss or you are being ironic.
Although relatively 'quiet', at least as far as gets reported in England, the tension persists in NI. The UK continues to 'export' violence, some with wider justification, some not.

Ihaventgottimeforthis Fri 31-May-19 12:44:39

Look it's fine, wars only affect other countries, us British have figured out how to end war for ever.

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