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RedToothBrush Wed 22-May-19 21:03:45

On the Eve of the EU Elections that we never met to happen, and we don't know what the next hour next mind day might bring.

Farage is enjoying the theatre of milkshakes. It means he gets attention and gets to play the victim. And avoid talking about his dodgy friends and even dodgier financing. The Brexit Party are polling so highly its possible he could be PM. And boy does he know it. The temptation is there and its too much to resist.

May has refused to resign so far tonight after a day of asking her to. The 1922 Committee refused to change the rules to help oust her - possibly because they don't want the next PM to be beset with challenges to the leadership at the drop of a hat. Graham Brady is seeing her on Friday... The ERG are not happy bunnies.

May is still apparently planning to plough on with the WAB with a referendum possibly attached. Though this remains to be seen.

Meanwhile Leadsom has just quit the Cabinet. She was one of the Brexit 'Pizza Club'. Rumours are this might be the Cabinet withdrawing support for her. Though Gove has said he doesn't intend to resign (tonight at least).

Rumour is that May's senior staff have abandoned her to let her make the decision to go. And rumours are that when Leadsom rang May to tell her she was leaving cabinet, May didn't tell her senior staff. This comes two weeks after rumours where that Phillip May was at the point of telling her it was time to resign. The rumours of course may be just that, rumours but it's hard to see how or why anyone would tell her to carry on now.

And so tomorrow. Who would vote for this utter shower of shit? Even if you were the most loyal of Tories?

The thing tomorrow is to get the remain vote out. It doesn't matter ultimately what people vote for. Every vote cast for remain keeps the Brexit Party popular vote down. Even if it doesn't win seats. And that is psychologically important.

Tomorrow make sure EVERYONE you know who is anti brexit party votes. More so if they are a Remainer voting for a Remain party, but also if they are solid Labour or the rarest of things, a true blue.

It MATTERS. Narratives will be set.

If you are not sure if you are registered to vote, please TRY ANYWAY. The worst case is you are turned away and have lost 20 mins of your life. But you might also be able to vote and that might change the course of events.

Talk to people tomorrow. Remind them. Make sure it's about preventing a hard right foothold. Apathy will destroy our futures. Being fed up of politicians so refusing to vote is actively shooting yourself in the face.

Who am I voting for?

Still no idea. But I will vote.

Sostenueto Sun 26-May-19 17:31:20

Never in the history of politics in this country has there been so many candidates for Priminister with the least talent to be one. Not a States person among them.

RedToothBrush Sat 25-May-19 16:58:20

Imo, anything under 30% would dampen things down a bit and give breathing space for the grownups to work

Yep. But unless something totally unpredicted and off radar happens that's not happening. Boris's statement about no deal is your biggest tell that its simply not on the cards unfortunately.

LauraKsWhiteCoat Fri 24-May-19 23:53:20

Talk about not wasting the extension time, as Donald Tusk asked.

I was wondering what he would think of the latest time wasting debacle. There was talk on BBC about how the new PM might then go back to the EU to ask for another extension.... on what grounds? On the grounds that they can't organise a piss up in a brewery, that they were specifically told that they must not waste this extra time but they decided to fuck about with a leadership contest instead of actually sorting out the mess they've created...?

Peregrina Fri 24-May-19 20:12:06

Talk about not wasting the extension time, as Donald Tusk asked.

icannotremember Fri 24-May-19 19:59:27

I can't seem to find them anywhere myself so can someone please point me to info on the turnout for the NW?

BigChocFrenzy Fri 24-May-19 19:29:57

That Islington result would be brilliant ! shock

Depressing that you also think Farage will get 30%+, red
Imo, anything under 30% would dampen things down a bit and give breathing space for the grownups to work

BigChocFrenzy Fri 24-May-19 19:27:22

Depending on how many candidates stand for the Tory leadership, it could be several weeks after 8 June until the final 2 are selected,

after which they need to organise the party membership vote
- which hopefully won't be as shambolic as these EP elections, with people being unfairly denied their vote

I've read that the new leader might even be announced shortly before the Tory party conference, which is 29 Sep - 2 Oct

Whenever the leader is chosen, serious work - talks with Labour, concessions etc - might be delayed until after the conference , to avoid the new leader getting mauled right away.

That would leave just 4 weeks until this extension runs out

RedToothBrush Fri 24-May-19 17:52:01

I'm told the Lib Dems believe they've probably beaten Labour in Islington in the European elections

CRASH CAR FOR CORBYN.

SwedishEdith Fri 24-May-19 17:51:05

Oops.

Jim Pickard
@PickardJE

I'm told the Lib Dems believe they've probably beaten Labour in Islington in the European elections

HazardGhost Fri 24-May-19 17:46:59

Glad I'm not the only one missing the west mids turn out figures thought I just hadn't found them.

RedToothBrush Fri 24-May-19 17:41:51

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3594333-Westministenders-The-One-Where-Everyone-is-an-Election-Expert-For-3-Days?watched=1
New Thread

DGRossetti Fri 24-May-19 17:38:13

You know how passionate Brexiteers are about democracy ?

Once this new one comes in, 3 of our last 5 PM's have been unelected.

HainaultViaNewburyPark Fri 24-May-19 17:31:26

May I therefore suggest a General Election date of 19 September (when I’ll be away again)?

HainaultViaNewburyPark Fri 24-May-19 17:29:42

I seem to have an uncanny knack of being out of the country when a Brexit-related milestone occurs.

May negotiating the WA (that everyone hates) with the EU back in November 2018, with time running out: conference in Munich.
Original Brexit day (29 March): travelling to Cyprus
Brexit day v2 (12 April): business trip to Rotterdam
EU election results (26/27 May): overnight ferry to the Netherlands
Brexit day v3 (31 Oct?): on holiday in Cyprus

I was supposed to be in Luxembourg today, but the trip got cancelled

DGRossetti Fri 24-May-19 17:29:05

DGR, whoever is the next PM, has the summer recess to work out how the fuck they pass the Queen's Speech

They could also revoke without parliamentary meltdown ... #justsayin'

I try to read the more thoughtful Brexiteer thinking. Luckily it doesn't take long.

NoWordForFluffy Fri 24-May-19 17:27:23

Whatever happened to floating voters? I've not heard about them for ages!

RedToothBrush Fri 24-May-19 17:27:10

DGR, whoever is the next PM, has the summer recess to work out how the fuck they pass the Queen's Speech. Otherwise there WILL be no parliament before the deadline and every chance of a GE. Which any new leader will want to avoid.

prettybird Fri 24-May-19 17:24:53

Friend who was the Chief Electoral Officer at a polling station (if that's the correct term blush) said that it was quiet (although his station is always very quiet - a very poor part of Glasgow) and slowly getting towards about 30% when I asked him at about 8pm - but the good news is that he said it was very much the younger generation who'd been in this time smile

Whisky2014 Fri 24-May-19 17:24:31

I've had to follow Ian dunt. He's just a nobby twat

DGRossetti Fri 24-May-19 17:23:27

How many of us former labour voters have said we won't back labour while he is leader?

Plus the (rarely mentioned these days hmm) "floating voters" (raises hand).

RedToothBrush Fri 24-May-19 17:22:38

Kunarian @Kunarian
Update. 99 authorities. Estimated 2,175k Leave votes and 1,892k Remain votes in play. Estimated increase of 132k Leave votes and 152k Remain votes. The new turnouts don't significantly shift the Remain turnout advantage.

Your basic problem is this. Remain needed an even bigger increase in turnout than this because the vote is split between parties.

woodpigeons Fri 24-May-19 17:22:35

East Midlands was a Tory stronghold. Vile mp who Bercow called a sycophant.
Quite a well off area. Can’t see them being enamoured of Farage but they’ll probably vote for him to leave.

DGRossetti Fri 24-May-19 17:21:41

It's not extant yet, but I notice elsewhere a couple of rabid (and arguably paranoid) Brexiteers signalling this as the last act to thwart Brexit ...

(goes to quote)

^She has kicked the can further up the street and in my opinion to to
deliberately delay any possible brexit. Earliest for a new PM will be July, then they enter recess, on return they will have a couple of weeks to sort before the Oct deadline. It ain't going to happen. She has sabotaged the Oct deadline.^

Obviously a lot of frothing, but a few glints of insight. That post caught my eye, mainly because it was (a) spelt properly, and (b) not in capitals.

The point about the recess is interesting. It gives Mays successor a good clear 8 weeks without parliament to bother them hmm. Which echoes the plan to force Brexit by suspending parliament over March-April.

Motheroffourdragons Fri 24-May-19 17:21:34

I suspect that one the results are in on Sunday and the labour party have been trounced, they will realise that Corbyn needs to go.

How many of us former labour voters have said we won't back labour while he is leader?

woman19 Fri 24-May-19 17:20:47

Incidentally, didn't parliament insist there be no "no-deal
The markets know it is legally automatic. £ is in freefall today, following the pronouncement by Stanley's 'handy' son. Chink chink.

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