Westminstenders: Pragmatism versus Purity

[RedToothBrush]

There is one question for the HoC in the next week and that's will you persue pragmatism or purity?

May looks as if she is being sidelined after a backbench withdrawal of support, the DUPs withdrawal of support and an omminous silence eminenating from the Cabinet.

Her speech on Thursday where she pitted the people against parliament has been her last mistake. She's now a danger to the country's stability and the safety of MPs.

The priority for the week is to pass the SI to change the UK exit date from 29th March to the EU's new terms.

After that, with May's deal stuffed due to lack of support and a Bercow ruling it looks like we are facing some sort of indicative free vote. This seems to be being supported by ministers in government regardless of leave or remain.

The prospect of a Tory Leader Election contest looms. It remains to seen if that can happen in the next three weeks with so much else at stake. But this is the Tory party.

The penny seems to be finally dropping about the reality of leaving the EU and how we leave the EU. A week before we were due to go. The incompetence of Parliament is laid bare in all its glorious full scale.

[bellinisurge]

Thank you Red. I have eaten a flapjack to help me. It hasn't really worked so I might need a Polish raspberry Jaffa cake.

[Sostenueto]

4,086,721 signatures thanks red as always for thread

[1tisILeClerc]

{Polish raspberry Jaffa cake.}
Now suffering from cake envy!

[TheMShip]

Thanks for the new thread. I think I understand better now how the whole WA+PD package works. If the indicative votes show support for a softer Brexit and a longer extension is requested on that basis, HoC would still need to pass something very similar to the current package eventually, as it only deals with managing the point of leaving.

[NoWordForFluffy]

The only 'easy' (procedurally) way out is to revoke. Anything else still comes a lot of hard work.

The one thing we can be glad about is that the penny HAS now dropped (finally) with MPs about what they can and can't unilaterally decide on, and it's BEFORE the votes. That may help them move forwards in a useful fashion.

The inquests and political reform will surely happen at a later date; there's no time for such 'luxuries' now!

What a sorry fucking state of affairs. Here's hoping pragmatism wins out.

I have real life to deal with now, so will return later for march news / photos.

[BigChocFrenzy]

thanks, red 💐

I hope realism will break out among MPs and also the kind of votes the govt offers

they have to stop voting for things that are either not acceptable to the EU,
or that are too unspecific to staisfy them

[SusanWalker]

PMK

[TheMShip]

So in a way, May has been 2/3 right all along, her deal, no deal, or revoke are the only options. It seems like the politicians are focusing on the wrong thing with talk of "options", they're only looking at what happens after leaving.

[1tisILeClerc]

{So in a way, May has been 2/3 right all along, her deal, no deal, or revoke are the only options}
Yes. It has only been this case since November but HoC and the UK government have been too busy 'gaming' by manipulating procedure and some telling lies and only now with possibly 6 days to go (if it doesn't get extended to 12 April, that is not guaranteed yet) that this 3 way choice is being properly recognised.

[2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney]

Think I might start shouting revoke not peoples vote on this March after the explanation by BCF

[TheMostBoringPersonEver]

Thanks for the thread.

So, SI first to change the date to 12 April.

Than WA - if it is allowed?
If it passes then we get an extension to May 22 and indicative votes to sort out the PD - (and presumably then we need another SI to change the date again?! Why not do the SI later once we have worked out what we are doing?)

If it doesn't then we hold votes to see what exactly we do want? And then go back to the EU by April 12th?

Is that right?

And if NOTHING gets passed AT ALL then it is back to Friday, right?

i think the plane was easier to understand

[BigChocFrenzy]

MPs need to evaluate the possible future relationship options

They may then decide these are so poor that Revoke / PV is better
Or they may prefer no Deal

Theyy need to decide on something within 3 weeks

[TheMostBoringPersonEver]

Sorry, I like clear pointed lists otherwise I get confused!

[BestIsWest]

Pmk

[prettybird]

Parliament has to do the SI(s) at the beginning of next week, as there are two pieces of legislation (the Withdrawal Act and the EEA Act) that have the 29th March in law as the date that we leave the EU/EEA.

Regal calming cats on lap

[BigChocFrenzy]

The SI changes the date of Brexit
and has to be done Monday ( or poss Tuesday ?) for it to apply in time to prevent Brexit on Friday

[AutumnCrow]

We've been brought to this place by May and Leadsom. I've been watching Leadsom as Leader of the House and she is frequently incredibly rude and mean-spirited in her role. And they mistakenly think this is 'strength'.

[PestyMachtubernahme]

Mmmmm
Polish black cherry jaffa cakes are evn better

[1tisILeClerc]

TheMostBoringPersonEver
I think your list is pretty much 'it'.
It will need a couple of SIs doing. One on Monday/Tuesday to get the proposed 'crash' date changed to 12th April, then other(s) to change whatever might get decided later in the week.
Of course with the various factions pulling in different directions it will not be plain sailing as I am not at all convinced a significant number in the HoC are actually awake and up to speed and then there are some who are out to wreck the whole thing for their own gain.

[BigChocFrenzy]

After that, we have until 12 April
to either pass the WA or to have a plan to do something else which needs a longer extension,
e.g. hold a PV

The EU may or may not agree to a longer extension after 12 April
Any member country can veto an extension

[BigChocFrenzy]

If we pass the WA by April 12, we automatically get an extension to 22 May, to pass the WAIB, which is the enabling legislation

[PestyMachtubernahme]

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-whatnext-factbox/factbox-what-happens-next-on-brexit-idUKKCN1R217U

Reuters have a good to do list for the UK

[TheMShip]

{MPs need to evaluate the possible future relationship options

They may then decide these are so poor that Revoke / PV is better
Or they may prefer no Deal}

Thank you, that helps frame it for me.

[TheMShip]

Having the SI 12 April vote on Monday and WA vote Tuesday implies the BBC flow chart here is incorrect.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47665289

The SI vote should be the first step, and there should also be a node for do they vote on the WA again at all.

[countrygirl99]

Never mind btrexit- where do I get these amazing Polish jaffa cakes. I can recommend the chocolate covered polish marzipan sweets in Sainbury's.