What happened to the Brexit Arms?

[Miljah]

Have I missed it somewhere?

Or has it disappeared? 18 months ago it was a hot bed of cheering, braying and smug crowing. What went wrong?

Now, 'What the Chuff are we Actually Going To Do?' threads get one, token Brexiteer, isolated, arguing their corner? Slapped down every second ensuing post?

This makes me very worried. It almost makes me thing that the post-Brexit fears of Remainers can't be relied upon as a source of mirth anymore.

So, c'mon! Where are you? Once you've parked 'Project Fear'/'Remoaners'/'We won, you lost, get over it?'/'It'll be fine'

Please tell me you've kept some powder dry!

Please give me hope that at least some of you can post a coherent reply assuring us that this won't be the biggest - to quote Angela- 'shitstorm' in our recent history?

Do you sort of wonder why your cheer-squads went silent?

Does that worry you, too?

[bellinisurge]

I think the poor dears are getting it in the neck wherever they surface. I think it's best to leave them be. Mind you, they are everywhere else frowns at local community FB group.where I daren't raise my head

[1tisILeClerc]

I would hazard a guess that as so far none of the great 'predictions' of leaving have come to fruition and things seem to be getting worse.
It would be good if some would come and help with ideas for getting out of the mess that we are heading into. Verbal and physical attacks are not the way for a civilised society to work so coming together to define a way forward is necessary.
Maybe if they (in fact everyone) writes to their MP and town hall with a list of things that need 'fixing' in their area, be it insufficient work, poor or inadequate social housing, inadequate public transport, whatever.
This is OUR world and we have to make the best of it we can. The government of ANY version will not pop round and just make things 'right' they have to be TOLD in no uncertain terms, politely of course.
Sitting at home and complaining will NOT get things done.

[1tisILeClerc]

Like 'leaving' a club, leaving the EU is taking things away from the UK, making the UK part of Europe smaller.
You could reasonaby argue it is like being a member of a gym or tennis club. You go along, chat to friends, have a coffee whatever with the downside that you pay a membership fee, Eurosceptics have been overstating the membership fee aspect for too long while understating some of the many advantages.

[JSmitty]

The Golf Club is a good analogy for Brexit Cake:

I'm resigning from the golf club because the subs are too high and I can't play in flip flops and shorts, etc.

[Doubletrouble99]

What crap from remainers again - leaving a golf club!!!

[Bearbehind]

Why is it so different double?

As far as I can see we want to leave the club because the subs are too high but we do still want all the benefits of membership.

Why is it such a bad analogy?

[Doubletrouble99]

It's more like a divorce.

[1tisILeClerc]

{What crap from remainers again - leaving a golf club!!!}
Another well thought out and well crafted reply from Doubletrouble99.
What are you planning to do on 30 March when the UK has left the EU and the Pound has crashed?

[Bearbehind]

A divorce in which 1 party thinks everything can stay the same except the bits they didn’t like.

[frumpety]

I think it is beginning to dawn on some that this isn't going to end in March, that is just the beginning, looking forward to another 5-10 years of negotiations not going the way people expected or hoped for, that is if the WA gets through or if we end up with no deal. No deal does not mean no further negotiation,it means negotiating from a very poor position, where you have cost the other side a lot of money and who can still hear all the jingoistic insults ringing in their ears.

[1tisILeClerc]

As you say Frumpety, March 30th is just the very beginning. Either no deal or WA will take as you say 5 years, probably nearer 10 if the no deal option is taken.
tHe only 'quick' negotiations are if Revoke happens, in which case most things for most people would just carry on, but there will be a lot of financial dealings necessary to sort out the mess that has been created.
There is also the matter of all the companies that will have moved out of the UK. They won't be coming back in great numbers, they can't afford to move twice. Thus we are looking at a million or so medium paying jobs disappearing.

[Mistigri]

It's more like a divorce.

It's like a divorce in which one party storms out of the house insisting that he has the right to shag anyone he wants to, refuses to pay maintenance, and is surprised when his ex wife refuses to have sex with him.

[lljkk]

After a divorce, both sides tend to feel they were shit on for years before the split, they got a terrible deal in the split, especially financially, whereas the other side got a great deal (& was always determined to punish). The split ended up being completely unfair. The other side's lawyer (negotiator) was a principleless bulldog, but that makes sense since the ex-spouse was always a foul person.

Since Brexit was sold on grounds of "Let's give X a good kicking", Brexit started with hate & couldn't end any other way. Leavers always voted for a Bad Deal after all.

[Doubletrouble99]

LeClerk - I 'crafted' a reply directly in response to the flippant remarks from Smitty sighting yet again cake, golf clubs and even adding shorts and flip flops - give me strength!!!

[1tisILeClerc]

Doubletrouble99
Something with a bit more insight than 'I've wet myself' would be good.

[Doubletrouble99]

I haven't 'wet myself' ! I am replying in kind to the usual crap that we have come to expect on these threads. There's never anything more insightful than the above and then you suggest to me that I should come on here and converse with all you sneering lot in some sort of insightful way. Why would I? Why would anybody bother just to give you fodder for some more sneering yet again.

[1tisILeClerc]

Doubletrouble99

Well you could start with describing how you see the UK getting out of the mess it has got itself in. Maybe come up with some new industries that will compensate for car manufacturing, medicine, and the finance industry.
On march 30th the UK will NEED to know the answers to this question because standing helpless in the street won't feed anyone.
It is the responsibility of every citizen in the UK to do something to make the UK great, not assume someone else will do it all for them and complain if things don't go their way. I have been pretty careful not to sneer at anyone, but have asked open questions in an attempt to form a little debate. If you don't want to join in with anything constructive then that is of course fine, it is after all an internet chat forum.
So, with the necessity of some real thought about how the UK gets out of the mess in 2 1/2 months time, what do you suggest?

[BorisBogtrotter]

The Brexit arms was where leavers went to repeat the justifications for leaving that were either untrue or played on people's fears.

Pressure of immigration on UK services
Impact of immigration on wages
EU army
Turkey joining
The EU "punishing" the UK.
The EU being corrupt
The EU being undemocratic

They created it because they couldn't stand their reasons for leaving, which were essentially just soundbite they found to confirm their bias, being challenged and discredited.

[surferjet]

Miljah

Start you own brexit arms thread if you like, no ones stopping you, just don’t expect any leavers to join in

[mummmy2017]

Let's just think about this..
MN is 90% remain... So if we post you try to shout us down and claim we are stupid..
Facebook and you say you won't post as you get trounced by leavers...
But like the pot calling the kettle black... Xx

[BorisBogtrotter]

You wouldn't get trounced by leavers, just abused.

There is difference between critical analysis of points, and if they turn out to be stupid reasons saying that, and " You lost shut up."

[mummmy2017]

But if you lose in real life, you work towards a goal based on the thing happened. Here all you seem to get is your wrecked my life, my child's life, and we won't the result written off or voided.

[surferjet]

BorisBogtrotter

Honestly, I’m the beginning the brexit arms worked really well, we actually had a bit of a laugh & chatted about stuff other than Brexit. It was designed to bring the two sides together in a friendly environment, working on building bridges & understanding.
Sadly, & I’m not just saying this, a couple of remainers were just way too aggressive & abusive. One of them is still here and exactly the same - you - I don’t remember.
Maybe you’re new or changed your name I don’t know.
But certain remainers aren’t happy if the two sides are getting along, naybe they feel threatened by that I don’t know.

[Bearbehind]

surfer I assume you are calling me aggressive and abusive.

It has been repeatedly explained that it is neither aggressive nor abusive to refuse to accept utter nonsense without questioning it.

Please stop playing the ‘bully’ card - it is way more offensive than the posts I make.

I admit I have been rude on a couple of occasions out of sheer frustration, but in 2 and a half years, that’s probably forgivable.

On the other hand, in the same time period we still haven’t moved on in terms of what Brexit is going to actually achieve and how to counter it’s known downsides.

[1tisILeClerc]

It is blatantly obvious that the referendum was so badly written that it allowed multiple versions of 'Brexit' to be formed.
It is now very clear that many of the 'desires' are totally at odds with some of the others, so now it is time to regroup and decide which of the elements can be achieved and work towards them. This should have happened over 2 years ago and if it had, the UK would be well on the way to achieving it.
Some leavers want 'pink' and other leavers want 'blue'. Obviously you can't have both so leavers need to decide between themselves or with assistance which it is to be. if your 2 children want chips or rice for tea (one each), do you prepare both, or find an equitable way of getting a decision from them, which is obviously a form of compromise?