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PMK for the week to end all weeksfor Red.

It's really weird knowing that something dramatic is going to happen over the next 24-48 hours, but having no idea what that might be.

Losing the vote is inevitable. I think she'll then step down, although she won't hum as Hameron did.

Thanks as ever red - PMK here

Perhaps she will dance.

Listening to BBC Breakfast at Holyhead interviewing the guy from Stenaline (Remain surprise surprise ) and some Brexiter.

The Brexiter claimed that the Stenaline's Guy's expert comments were just more "Project Fear" like telling a toddler that if they don't eat their greens, they'll be sent to bed

No, it's "Project Realism Fear" like telling a toddler that if you stick your fingers into a plug you could be badly hurt or even die or if you let go of your mum or dad's hand and run into traffic you could be badly hurt or even die

PMK again

Thanks for the thread.

Thank you @RedToothBrush .
I feel a TMesque spoonful of peanut butter coming on.

Here you go

Thanks red.

What a week this will be.

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placematking - also going out for a significant time today.

Not posted for ages but checking in. I think this is a game changer.

Anyone else thinking this might be what triggers the Vote of No
Confidence - New PM can revoke Art 50 and take up full UK awkward squad position back inside the EU. Then we get back to having a proper say and sorting stuff out OR they are so desperate to get rid of us they offer a decent deal.

Would require a completely different attitude and personality type from TM to carry off either outcome - JC and any number of Tories are better suited.

Is this week going to be the crunch week or is May going to find another way to delay? I think she'll kick it further along again somehow.

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I think the ability to revoke requires a good deal of commitment and procedure. Even if it said 'in good faith' the UK government and opposition, as they stand, fall woefully short of being in 'good faith'.

www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/1207/1015924-brexit-backstop-uk/

Good article on May’s deceit on the backstop.

PMK as at work. Thanks Red.

Decent BBC article except for the fact that it manages to mention the MEPs, MPs, and MSPs by name without highlighting that this was an SNP initiative brought through the Scottish Courts. Scotland asserting its legal position as a fully paid up Independent legal system.

The Scottish Judge on the Supreme Court dissented from the Gina Miller Art 50 judgement on this point.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643

Turns out Scotland isn't about to be "dragged" anywhere because we already are Independent.

LeClerc BBC thinks all that is needed is a Parliamentary vote, no mention of good faith etc, etc, etc. The EU were in agreement with the UK in wanting the decision to go the other way as it hands unilateral sovereignty back to the UK (as imho should always be the case when a sovereign nation is deciding on exit from or entry into an International or Supranational Treaty)

plaice mat king

Thanks red

Im looking forward to the flood of brexiters to join the thread because this will have rattled a lot of cages

@JustAnotherPoster00

Yes.

When they do, I wonder if they'll answer why Brexit supporters and funders have again been caught making huge bets against the British economy, as reported today?

Rhetorical question of course. Cognitive dissonance dictates dabbling in a bit of double-think...

Welcome back howabout - we did appreciate your reasoned alternative viewpoint

I was wondering about the "good faith" point as the BBC hadn't mentioned it. I knew it was in the Advocate General's interim opinion but wasn't sure if it was in the final judgement.