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Westminstenders: A vote too far?

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RedToothBrush Mon 10-Dec-18 09:16:13

The ECJ have ruled that the UK can unilaterally revoke A50.

There maybe lots of other news today, but that's the big one.

May has her big vote tomorrow. Or does she.

Will she survive until the end of the week?

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lonelyplanetmum Mon 10-Dec-18 09:20:11

PMK for the week to end all weeksthanksfor Red.

IrenetheQuaint Mon 10-Dec-18 09:22:14


It's really weird knowing that something dramatic is going to happen over the next 24-48 hours, but having no idea what that might be.

lonelyplanetmum Mon 10-Dec-18 09:24:42

Losing the vote is inevitable. I think she'll then step down, although she won't hum as Hameron did.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall Mon 10-Dec-18 09:25:19

Thanks as ever red - PMK here

lonelyplanetmum Mon 10-Dec-18 09:25:32

Perhaps she will dance.

prettybird Mon 10-Dec-18 09:27:30

Listening to BBC Breakfast at Holyhead interviewing the guy from Stenaline (Remain surprise surprise wink) and some Brexiter.

The Brexiter claimed that the Stenaline's Guy's expert comments were just more "Project Fear" like telling a toddler that if they don't eat their greens, they'll be sent to bed hmm

No, it's "Project Realism Fear" like telling a toddler that if you stick your fingers into a plug you could be badly hurt or even die or if you let go of your mum or dad's hand and run into traffic you could be badly hurt or even die confused

PMK again grin

AwdBovril Mon 10-Dec-18 09:28:08

Thanks for the thread.

bellinisurge Mon 10-Dec-18 09:29:23

Thank you @RedToothBrush .
I feel a TMesque spoonful of peanut butter coming on.

bellinisurge Mon 10-Dec-18 09:31:10

Here you go

FestiveForestieraNoel Mon 10-Dec-18 09:31:21

Thanks red.

What a week this will be.

icannotremember Mon 10-Dec-18 09:32:06


Peregrina Mon 10-Dec-18 09:36:17

placematking - also going out for a significant time today.

howabout Mon 10-Dec-18 09:36:48

Not posted for ages but checking in. I think this is a game changer.

Anyone else thinking this might be what triggers the Vote of No
Confidence - New PM can revoke Art 50 and take up full UK awkward squad position back inside the EU. Then we get back to having a proper say and sorting stuff out OR they are so desperate to get rid of us they offer a decent deal.

Would require a completely different attitude and personality type from TM to carry off either outcome - JC and any number of Tories are better suited.

Cherrypi Mon 10-Dec-18 09:37:16

Is this week going to be the crunch week or is May going to find another way to delay? I think she'll kick it further along again somehow.

DGRossetti Mon 10-Dec-18 09:40:08


1tisILeClerc Mon 10-Dec-18 09:51:44

I think the ability to revoke requires a good deal of commitment and procedure. Even if it said 'in good faith' the UK government and opposition, as they stand, fall woefully short of being in 'good faith'.

TatianaLarina Mon 10-Dec-18 09:55:16

Good article on May’s deceit on the backstop.

Whatthefoxgoingon Mon 10-Dec-18 10:04:51

PMK as at work. Thanks Red.

howabout Mon 10-Dec-18 10:05:55

Decent BBC article except for the fact that it manages to mention the MEPs, MPs, and MSPs by name without highlighting that this was an SNP initiative brought through the Scottish Courts. Scotland asserting its legal position as a fully paid up Independent legal system.

The Scottish Judge on the Supreme Court dissented from the Gina Miller Art 50 judgement on this point.

Turns out Scotland isn't about to be "dragged" anywhere because we already are Independent. grin

LeClerc BBC thinks all that is needed is a Parliamentary vote, no mention of good faith etc, etc, etc. The EU were in agreement with the UK in wanting the decision to go the other way as it hands unilateral sovereignty back to the UK (as imho should always be the case when a sovereign nation is deciding on exit from or entry into an International or Supranational Treaty)

JustAnotherPoster00 Mon 10-Dec-18 10:06:42

plaice mat king

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Mon 10-Dec-18 10:08:00

Thanks red flowers

JustAnotherPoster00 Mon 10-Dec-18 10:10:21

Im looking forward to the flood of brexiters to join the thread because this will have rattled a lot of cages

jm90914 Mon 10-Dec-18 10:18:26



When they do, I wonder if they'll answer why Brexit supporters and funders have again been caught making huge bets against the British economy, as reported today?

Rhetorical question of course. Cognitive dissonance dictates dabbling in a bit of double-think...

prettybird Mon 10-Dec-18 10:21:46

Welcome back howabout - we did appreciate your reasoned alternative viewpoint flowers

I was wondering about the "good faith" point as the BBC hadn't mentioned it. I knew it was in the Advocate General's interim opinion but wasn't sure if it was in the final judgement.

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