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WTF is the point of a Brexit debate 2 days before the vote?

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Bearbehind Thu 29-Nov-18 13:10:30

Just that really.

What are TM and JC trying to achieve?

FishesaPlenty Thu 29-Nov-18 21:30:17

I think you'll find that all the loudest leavers agree that a bit of economic pain is a small price to pay for taking back control etc. Of course there's not much economic pain when you've got a triple-locked pension under your belt.

lljkk Thu 29-Nov-18 21:34:59

Au contraire... the experts said Brexit would make us poorer. & then folk chose Brexit. So they did vote to make selves poorer. It doesn't make sense to me, either, but it is what it is.

We pay ££ for healthcare or military or highways. Why not pay ££££ for "sovereignty" and "controlled immigration" like any other public service our taxes are spent on? This is exactly what Brexiters voted for.

Point of televised debate: If afterwards constituents tell MPs to vote for TM's WA, well, that's Brexit, all over, isn't it? "Do X even though you know it's not in our best interests." That is "the will of the people."

lljkk Thu 29-Nov-18 21:36:24

ps: I do like suggestion of Sturgeon up there with them, though, if one more debater could be admitted, NS is the best rep I could think of, too.

Bearbehind Thu 29-Nov-18 22:09:48

Au contraire... the experts said Brexit would make us poorer. & then folk chose Brexit. So they did vote to make selves poorer. It doesn't make sense to me, either, but it is what it is.

I disagree.

The Leavers that tipped this over the line weren’t the ones who can afford to ride this out.

They were the ones who thought things couldn’t get any worse.

They were conditioned to believe all bad news was Project Fear.

How hard their lesson is going to be.

lljkk Thu 29-Nov-18 22:34:51

It's patronising to say that Leavers were 'duped' into believing in fairies & unicorns. Especially when they go on radio phone ins this week ranting outrage that their Brexit is not being delivered because EU wants to punish us/TMay doesn't really believe/We need David Davis to negotiate/Boris is the man /Why can't we just get on with it/WTO rules are great, etc..

If Leave Voters were innocent duped sheeple, they should be hopping mad at the deceivers, not hopping mad about risk of their unicorn being stolen. I don't think the Leave voters will EVER admit they made a mistake. They'll go to grave insisting the unicorn was out there, but us self-serving Remainers deprived them of it.

Bearbehind Fri 30-Nov-18 09:40:23

I didn’t say they were all duped into believing fairies and unicorns.

I know a lot of Leavers who are all livid about TM’s deal but funnily enough they are all well off and close to retirement.

Those who chose it to stick one up to the system, which is what tipped Leave over the line, are going to get a rude awakening when it makes them even worse off.

jasjas1973 Fri 30-Nov-18 12:50:36

I'm with Bear on this one.

What is the point? its MPs she needs to convince, plus this debate could well boost support for a PV, (should WA fail) she is inviting the population in, then saying "no you can't contribute any more"

MaccaPacca81 Fri 30-Nov-18 14:41:35

I'd prefer to see a debate between May and NHS leaders, doctors, nurses, business leaders, the young, farmers, fishermen etc.

How is this debate going to go?

May: I think we should Brexit!
Corbyn: I think we should Brexit too!
May: Good!
Corbyn: Good!

MyNameIsArthur Fri 30-Nov-18 20:29:22

There is a very interesting book called "How To Lose A Referendum" which explains the history of the UKs relationship with the EU and the reasons that led to people voting to leave the EU. Is worth reading.

Stripybeachbag Fri 30-Nov-18 20:45:46

TM has a history of making rubbish decisions and this is just another one.

I understand why she may think it is a good idea and why JC may. He actually came across pretty well in the last GE compared to May.

But I agree with the other ppl - why?

Hasn't TM got more urgent things to do with her time, looking at the state of the country?
TM's real opponents in regard to Brexit are actually in her own party.
Debating is not her strength and she incapable of answering unwelcome questions. This is usually glossed over but it will glaringly obvious here.

A stupid distraction that trivializes Brexit even more.

bellinisurge Fri 30-Nov-18 21:58:17

She wants to remind people that even though she is shit, No Deal and/or Corbyn as PM would be much worse.

BakedBeans47 Sat 01-Dec-18 12:58:30

What’s the point of it at all when we don’t get a say on it!

bellinisurge Sat 01-Dec-18 15:13:48

If you speak to your MP you do get a say in it. Just not a direct say. It's how our system works. We don't have referenda on everything; we elect our MPs to make decisions and cast votes on our behalf using their best judgment including following a party line. We are rubbish at running referenda properly. Regardless of how you feel about the result of the last one. The Irish do it better.

BakedBeans47 Sat 01-Dec-18 15:55:56

I know how it works bellini. I more meant that the other times we had tv debates they have preceded an election or referendum. In this case, parliament will have debated so there’s no need for a tv one.

bellinisurge Sat 01-Dec-18 17:03:52

If everyone who posts in here (regardless of opinion) emailed their MP saying "you must do [whatever it is you believe], your MP would have food for thought before they vote in the meaningful vote. Which may or may not be what Jezza says or TM says.

Yaralie Sun 02-Dec-18 20:15:16

I wish I could believe that but my MP is a member of the ERG.

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