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HepzibahHumbug Wed 28-Nov-18 13:59:43

Does anyone else think the way our MPs are shamelessly pursuing their narrow lobbying interests right now is putting all of our interests at risk?

Brexiteers, Lib dems, SNP, DUP, Plaid Cymru-it's like the UK no longer exists, already.

How did we get to be so fragmented as a country, just because a few more people want to leave the EU than don't?

Come on guys! If we don't hang together we will all hang separately.

I personally think we should back May's WA warts and all.

Tomorrow we can tweak.

How can we be failing so badly to work together over an issue that has such profound implications for us and our children?

It's a train wreck in the making and we will all of us be the casualties.

jasjas1973 Wed 28-Nov-18 14:52:41

Yeah well, 36% of the electorate voted for brexit, meaning 64% didn't vote for this shit, either didn't care or disagreed.

Why should i get on board with a policy that i don't agree with? Brexitiers didn't "get on board" with being in the EU did they?

If its a train wreck, its because Leavers voted for it and stupid politicians decided that they'd implement it, instead of staying where we are, the best of all options.

Vote for the WA and you are voting for a 2 to 4 year delay, that is all it is! the rest is just a shopping list of what the UK wants, the EU has elections next year, the new commission could then give us anything at all, inc a no-deal.

LaurieFairyCake Wed 28-Nov-18 15:00:04

Tomorrow we can tweak

We really, really can't.

1tisILeClerc Wed 28-Nov-18 15:02:40

{stupid politicians decided that they'd implement it, instead of staying where we are, the best of all options.}

The sheer cost and time to implement leaving, which the Civil Service will at least have some idea of was ignored either deliberately or stupidly by politicians.
Given say 10 years for preparation and negotiations it would have been possible although if proper evaluations were made I doubt the likelihood of a 'massive gain' for the UK as was promised.

MephistophelesApprentice Wed 28-Nov-18 15:13:41

What do you expect? Democracy as it was practised in this country (a cosy arrangement of oligarchs and billionaire propagandists buying lawyers and PR men to keep the populace in line) rewards politicians who win elections. After a while you gain a class of people who don't possess any other relevant skills or thoughts beyond that very narrow purpose.

When you suddenly introduce real democracy (the bestial, emotional flailings of a bunch of self-important primates convinced their irrational opinions are a substitute for genuine thought) and suddenly they have no road map to achieve their goals. What we're seeing is paralysis.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes - democracy is the most imbecilic of beauty contests.

HepzibahHumbug Wed 28-Nov-18 16:58:46

So I guess nobody agrees we should all pull together in our moment of weakness.

Such a shame to have nothing but anger and vitriol (whatever that is) and no compassion, compromise and understandind that:

You can't always get what you wa-antt
But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you ne-eed.smile

Hah! Goodbye DDs future.

Peregrina Wed 28-Nov-18 18:55:53

Have to agree about the selfishness, one or two honourable ones excepted.

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse Wed 28-Nov-18 19:01:58

I think a lot of people have realised nobody, especially their political representatives, is looking after them. It's every man for themselves, at every level. This is the society we live in and, as far as British politics is concerned, there is no realistic alternative.

Goodbye DDs future you are right there

Peregrina Wed 28-Nov-18 19:06:05

Do we really have to get behind policies which we feel will be a disaster for the country? I am all for kindness and trying to treat people decently, but I am not going to fall in and support May, or the ERG, or Corbyn, or any of the other self serving politicians.

Bombardier25966 Wed 28-Nov-18 19:09:15

Many of us are pulling together - to remain in the EU.

Is that not the pulling together you're looking for?

HepzibahHumbug Wed 28-Nov-18 19:44:32

It seems to me that we have lost our parliament. Literally nobody speaks for me now. Whatever I voted in the referendum doesn't matter now. And I don't GAS what anyone else voted.
We are on our uppers and it's time our MPs recognised this.

ElliePhillips Wed 28-Nov-18 20:17:11

OP you really made me laugh out loud with that Rolling Stones interlude (that song is The Stones, right?) Thanks so much for that.

In the midst of this Brexit disaster (I'm a UK citizen living in an EU country so it affects me MASSIVELY) that really cheered me up.

I also appreciate your attempt to rally people together. Futile, though it is.

CaptainBrickbeard Wed 28-Nov-18 20:26:45

I’m ‘pulling together’ by protesting something that will make all of us poorer - which Brexit will do in any form. I’m pulling together against Brexit because I have compassion and care for other people and I don’t wish to see us all go through another economic crash.

Why is the only version of ‘pulling together’ you accept getting behind May’s deal? Something that will impoverish us and make our lives worse. That’s not showing compassion or solidarity.

HepzibahHumbug Wed 28-Nov-18 20:56:18

The outcome of the referendum is what has made us worse off. I imagine if we were allowed to decide to stay in the EU we would have to take terms very like the ones we are being offered in WA.
It is a shitshow any way you look at it. Accepting WA is the only way of stopping even more chaos and anger from our closest political allies and biggest trading partners.

Unless you really prefer the Trump option shock?

Moussemoose Wed 28-Nov-18 21:21:21

MPs have a responsibility to make decisions in the best interest of the country.

Not what will get them elected, not along party lines, not even to do what their constituents want.

The majority of MPs know Brexit will be a disaster for the country. They should vote for what is best for the country.

That would be really unselfish of them.

TheNumberfaker Wed 28-Nov-18 21:37:54

I think you need to read the WA because remaining a full EU member is totally different. As a full member we have voting rights to elect MEPs, we appoint a Commissioner, we sit on the European Council and The Council of the EU and we appoint a judges to the European Court of Justice.
May's deal keeps us as rule-takers whereas EU membership keeps us as rule-makers.
Rejecting the WA now is the only way we can stop Brexit - and we must at least try

HepzibahHumbug Wed 28-Nov-18 22:30:03

I haven't read the WA and I'm impressed by anyone who has. But despite my ignorance of the actual agreement, I still think it's worth coming to some (any!) agreement at this moment.
The media/political glare is so strong right now that no interested party can be seen to lose face. This is all about politics right now and not logic or even economics. We must all come together, hold our collective noses, and agree.

Later, without the media glare, we can negotiate further and modify (both sides).

Jason118 Wed 28-Nov-18 22:56:49

Nosmile

lonelyplanetmum Wed 28-Nov-18 22:59:36

* I imagine if we were allowed to decide to stay in the EU we would have to take terms very like the ones we are being offered in WA.*

The court case going on at the moment is addressing if Article 50 can be unilaterally rescinded . Or if this would need unanimous agreement of all the other leaders.

It's academic because there still doesn't seem enough will to withdraw Art 50 , but theoretically if we did there's a chance we could keep our unique rebate worth about 6 billion euros .

So if we rescinded our notice the terms would be far better than the likely WA. But , as even the cabinet are now saying, it ain't about the best decision economically it's about doing what some people wanted two years ago.

We'd lose the rebate and other opt-outs if we applied to rejoin in the future, but we deserve to lose the special treatment anyway.

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