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A little quiz for leavers mainly, but anyone may answer

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PrincessMargaret Thu 22-Nov-18 22:14:35

If you voted leave, please answer at least three of these, it must include #6.
1) Can you name a bad EU law?
2) What will you do outside the EU that you couldn't do inside the EU?
3) How will WTO tariffs keep us competitive?
4) How will border controls keep our lorries moving?
5) Why would any Multinational stay in the UK with tariffs, mountains of “country of origin” paperwork, and border hold ups?
6) How can you solve the Northern Ireland problem?
7) The EU citizen Hostile Environment. We now have twice as many NON EU immigrants coming to the UK to work than EU, how is that better?
8) Under WTO rules any one of 163 countries can hold a trade deal up for years, is that taking back control?
9) Trade deals take 8 years on average, what do we do in the meantime?
10) Where do you get your information from, ever thought there may be a hidden agenda?

Very interested to see the responses.

PrincessMargaret Thu 22-Nov-18 22:16:00

11. Why do you prefer the rules based WTO to the rules based EU?
12. Name one single law that our sovereign (always has been) Parliament has been unable to enact because of the EU.

MedicinalGin Thu 22-Nov-18 22:17:39

Is this in response to yesterday’s questions for remainers thread op? I honestly don’t reckon anyone will respond to this because they will accuse you of being all goady and patronising. I reckon they will just accuse you of project fear and Doing Britain Down and all that stuff. But am place marking here anyway just in case anyone bites!

PrincessMargaret Thu 22-Nov-18 22:32:55

No, not being goady. I saw this list on FB and thought it was a fair summary of issues under discussion. I didn't put it in AIBU but in the Brexit topic for that reason.

lonelyplanetmum Thu 22-Nov-18 23:31:56

13. Once we leave the EU and EU migration dwindles are there any other international organisations you would like to relinquish membership of ?

bellinisurge Fri 23-Nov-18 07:12:48

Hope someone will answer.

surferjet Fri 23-Nov-18 07:18:16

< yawn >

WitchyMcWitchface Fri 23-Nov-18 07:21:00

Lots of things in life are hard, so are you saying we shouldn't do stuff because it's hard, because if that was the case women would not have the vote, people would still be hanged for killing someone, we could all be speaking German. Just get a grip.

bellinisurge Fri 23-Nov-18 07:29:10

Come on, @surferjet and the rest. You want to convince people or do you just love the grandstanding?

surferjet Fri 23-Nov-18 07:34:27

bellinisurge

Leavers are so over these goady threads & goady remainers.

And why do I want to convince anyone?
The referendum was 2 years ago & we’re on the brink of a deal. grin

bellinisurge Fri 23-Nov-18 07:37:52

Are you happy with the deal @surferjet ?

lonelyplanetmum Fri 23-Nov-18 07:46:43

I honestly don’t reckon anyone will respond to this.
It's so weird. Why won't Leave voters actually stand up for what they believe in, and persuade with skilled substantiated responses.

On a personal note I've been having a weekly sometimes daily debate with a friend's Mum who recruited her friends to vote Leave.She posts lots of jingoistic empire / Union Jack stuff on Facebook.Two days ago she made a first real shift of position. She actually acknowledged that the gap between rich and poor in the U.K. is attributable to successive U.K. governments!

This may seem a small thing (but compared to her previous posts blaming the EU for everything) it is quite a shift of position.

I think many Remainers have shifted too though- perhaps we'd shift more if some one would answer the OP's questions?

surferjet Fri 23-Nov-18 07:48:15

Parts of it yes, parts of it no.
But it’s a start. I’m sure as years go on we’ll pull away even further.
Personally I’d have gone down the ‘no deal’ route, but I guess this compromise is better than not leaving at all!
The Boris’s & JRM’s are standing on the sidelines complaining but what alternative plan have they come up with?
And as for labour? does anyone take them seriously?

So it’s this deal or nothing.
And I’m 99.9% certain it will go through.

bellinisurge Fri 23-Nov-18 07:52:36

I don't take Labour seriously and, as much as I dislike the deal, I also think it will get through. See, @surferjet , common ground.

frumpety Fri 23-Nov-18 07:58:53

Will it get through if other countries veto it ? Like Spain is suggesting it might do over Gibraltar ? I always thought the UK media has placed an awful lot of onus on us getting the deal we like, forgetting there are 27 other countries who also have to like it ?

surferjet Fri 23-Nov-18 08:03:07

It’s only Spain. One country can’t veto the whole thing.

teaandbiscuitsforme Fri 23-Nov-18 08:07:13

Surfer What do you envisage no deal will look like? For the first 6 months, 2 years, 10 years?

Moussemoose Fri 23-Nov-18 08:12:33

Similar question put to remainers and a thread full of reasons developed.

When questions are asked of leavers you are being goady or boring.

I think that just about sums up the whole debate.

surferjet Fri 23-Nov-18 08:26:34

Moussemoose

You are under some illusion that leavers have to talk to you - we don’t.
& worse still, spend hours of their life convincing you that something you hate might actually be something you love.
We are not the Samaritans.
We have jobs, families, we haven’t got endless hours to spend talking about brexit.
Remainers on here seem to have a lot of free time as some of you are literally on here 24/7 - that’s fine, but not everyone wants to spend their life talking about brexit.

Lastly, some remainers just want leavers to post so they can ridicule & take the piss.

Cherries101 Fri 23-Nov-18 08:40:51

There won’t be a language issue with migrants from outside the EU tho. They are required to demonstrate English skills, required to demonstrate they have at least a 30k pa job offer, and even a degree. This is why we see so many professional Indian migrants — English is the national language in India with many kids now fluent in it. All TM will do is expand the numbers allowed to come to the UK — big ‘professional’ or tech orientated businesses will love this.

Where we will see a problem is in professions now entirely ‘run’ by EU workers where starting salaries are lower than £30k. But this is a problem the Tories created by restricting non-EU migration targets and non-uni training opportunities for UK citizens for the over 21s. It’s always been a bit silly that under 21s have access to all these lovely training / apprentice opportunities but young people aged 22-30, who are often more likely to be let go from jobs and may consider a skilled career, don’t.

lonelyplanetmum Fri 23-Nov-18 08:42:17

What is better?

1. Waste the time justifying not answering .

2. Answering.

If you believe something is best for everyone, surely the kind socially responsible thing to do is to explain and share that view?

Cherries101 Fri 23-Nov-18 08:42:35

Caveat this by saying I’m not a brexiteer, a remainer, but non-EU migration is not a bad thing at all. Remainers shouldn’t be using it in their arguments

TheElementsSong Fri 23-Nov-18 09:26:12

1. Waste the time justifying not answering

That is literally the entire story of Brexit grin

NinjaGoSaysNo Fri 23-Nov-18 10:14:56

Following to see if any Leavers actually answer the questions posed.

Nesssie Fri 23-Nov-18 10:18:11

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