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End of Freedom of Movement for Pets

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Lico Tue 06-Nov-18 21:38:17

EU pet passports and chips no longer valid if no deal.
Return of blood tests and health certificates.
Even pets are bargaining chips!
It is the will of the people.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-travel-to-europe-after-brexit

https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/listed-and-unlisted-countries

MongerTruffle Tue 06-Nov-18 21:41:46

I can't believe that this is a surprise. Leaving the EU without a deal will cause EU law to stop applying to the UK.

1tisILeClerc Tue 06-Nov-18 21:49:28

Apparently 'Leave' meant 'Leave' so of course any cooperation between the UK and EU is likely to stop, which is what 'Leave' voters wanted.
The EU have always said 'no cherrypicking', so we knew this from the beginning.

Lico Tue 06-Nov-18 22:06:18

In this case , the UK will demand that any pets travelling out of the UK to the EU will have to have blood tests and health certificates prior to leaving the UK in order to be able to return to the UK. Otherwise the good old quarantine kennels where pets died (remember Patten's pets?) will apply.
Not sure why pets should be subjected to a no deal!

MongerTruffle Tue 06-Nov-18 22:12:19

It's not a case of 'demanding' anything. If, hypothetically, there is no deal, EU law will stop applying to the UK and there will be no legal basis for freedom of movement.

Bloodyfucksake Tue 06-Nov-18 22:15:26

I hate Brexit and anyone who voted for it - yes you PIL!
Why have we made our lives so much harder? Why? I only wish someone would spell it out.

Lico Tue 06-Nov-18 22:34:57

Monger truffle :
This is not about fucking EU law but about pets going on holidays!!

Read the subject matter properly before writing any replies.

We are talking about Fido travelling out of the UK for a holiday!

Are you a Russian bot?

MongerTruffle Tue 06-Nov-18 22:49:02

This is not about fucking EU law but about pets going on holidays!!
It certainly is about EU law. The only thing that the UK government can do to stop freedom of movement ending is to reach an agreement with the EU (or cancel Brexit entirely).

Alfie190 Tue 06-Nov-18 22:59:22

I have moved with pets across three continents (not EU), it really is no big deal.

IncomingCannonFire Tue 06-Nov-18 23:00:25

Not sure why pets should be subjected to a no deal!
You don't have to take pets abroad. Your priorities are a bit skewed I think.

Peregrina Wed 07-Nov-18 00:42:43

Coming back from holiday this summer, I was quite surprised at the number of cars getting on the ferry who had pets on board.

Well, it's a nuisance to have to board them in kennels or get a friend to look after them, but this is what you voted for, so stop whining, Leavers.

bellinisurge Wed 07-Nov-18 06:11:22

Why is it evil to have strict livestock/ domestic pet laws? It protects everyone in the territory covered by those laws.
I would be annoyed at someone trying to impose restrictions on migratory birds or fish. But not pets or racing animals or livestock. This is called Leaving the EU.
What about those poor sods in Spain who have retired there or moved there for work and have pets there they can't easily bring back to the UK e.g. if they return to care for sick relatives. I pity them. Especially as most voted Remain, if they had a vote.
Suck it up, buttercup.

Buteo Wed 07-Nov-18 06:47:22

Well, it's a nuisance to have to board them in kennels

So this is what Brexiteers mean when they keep saying “we’re taking back control of our boarders” wink

lonelyplanetmum Wed 07-Nov-18 06:49:31

Borders against borders! 🐕

NonaGrey Wed 07-Nov-18 06:55:03

This is not about fucking EU law but about pets going on holidays!!

Yes Lico but it EU law that allowed your pet to go on holiday in the first place.

This isn’t the EU being mean it’s just the basic consequences of Brexit. There will be all sorts of similar problems going forward.

It’s apparently what people wanted.

LEMtheoriginal Wed 07-Nov-18 06:56:24

I am more concerned about cascade regulations regarding medication. This could cause a potential supply issue for veterinary products not routinely available in the UK. I havent looked into it though so it is just a personal concern.

eurochick Wed 07-Nov-18 06:58:30

I don't understand your reply to mongertruffle. Of course this is about law. It's law that sets the requirements for pets to travel. In the EU that is EU law. Brexit means EU law will cease to apply to the UK.

MoggyP Wed 07-Nov-18 06:59:02

I'm 'intensely relaxed' about this aspect.

Not all procedures matter, and pets' holidays aren't necessary/important by any stretch..

NonaGrey Wed 07-Nov-18 07:01:29

Does anyone know the position re guidedogs...

Unicyclethief Wed 07-Nov-18 07:05:25

What will change though? Considering the pet passport scheme is worldwide and not just EU?

anniehm Wed 07-Nov-18 07:15:45

Rubbish - pet passports work for the USA too and they are not in the EU. We just need a different agreement. I'm pro remain but fed up with half truths

Buteo Wed 07-Nov-18 07:16:08

From: www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2018/august/how-prepare-if-uk-leaves-eu-no-deal

Pet travel - guide and assistance dogs

Scenarios vary according how the EU classifies the UK.

The UK becomes a ‘third country’, linked to a country’s animal health status. It could have one of three catgorisations: Part 1 listed, Part 2 listed or ‘unlisted’. On arrival in the EU, pet owners travelling with their pet would still be required to report to a Travellers’ Point of Entry.

Part 1: Changes needed to documentation but no change for pet owners from what they currently need to do in terms of health preparations.

Part 2: Before a dog could travel from the UK to an EU country for the first time, it would need to be taken to an Official Veterinarian (OV) at least 21 days in advance to ensure the dog has a microchip and rabies vaccination. The OV would issue a health certificate. This would be valid for ten days after the date of issue for entry into the EU, and for four months of onward travel within the EU. Health certificates would have to be issued for each trip to the EU.

Unlisted: You would need to discuss preparations for your dog’s travel with an Official Veterinarian (OV) at least four months in advance of the date you wish to travel. You would need to prove your dog is effectively vaccinated against rabies. If your dog has never had a vaccination or it is not up to date you will need to have a blood test 30 days after the vaccination followed by a further three-month waiting period before you can travel with your dog.

Buteo Wed 07-Nov-18 07:20:09

Rubbish - pet passports work for the USA too and they are not in the EU. We just need a different agreement. I'm pro remain but fed up with half truths

It’s not a half truth:

From the UK Government’s own “no deal” notices:

If there’s no deal, pet passports issued in the UK would not be valid for travel to the EU.

Beamur Wed 07-Nov-18 07:22:33

Why does this come as any kind of surprise?
Being part of Europe = various privileges and reciprocal agreements.
Not in Europe = who knows right now.

1tisILeClerc Wed 07-Nov-18 07:41:46

Of course you can travel with pets in future, but what is currently a 'formality' will need rather more attention in future. Timing of getting 'Part 2' as shown above means that a 'I can pop over to Calais for the day, turns into a significant planning session.
Taking a cat to Saudi (don't ask!) has very tight time schedules as you have to get confirmation from a vet and the paperwork signed off at the Saudi embassy both within 48 hours.

LuckyKitty13 Wed 07-Nov-18 08:03:39

I'm a vet and we have just been issued with guidance from the RCVS (our governing body) to say that owners should be preparing for travel 4 months in advance. So Nov for those wanting to leave after Brexit. We've been advised to perform rabies titre testing (blood tests) for all European travel as this is likely to be the new requirements if there's no deal. I'll try and find a link

LuckyKitty13 Wed 07-Nov-18 08:04:56

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-travel-to-europe-after-brexit

EspressoButler Wed 07-Nov-18 08:10:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

1tisILeClerc Wed 07-Nov-18 08:23:22

{This is not about fucking EU law but about pets going on holidays!!}

While it may not be a significant problem for many, it is a very stark indication of how integrated so much of UK life is within the EU. There are so many relatively minor aspects that will change.

WitcheryNights Wed 07-Nov-18 08:27:42

@NonaGrey Still applies to assistance dogs.

Such a shame as I regularly take my dog on holiday in Europe and we won't be renewing his passport next year as it's a huge faff with the blood test. We used to pop into France for the weekend and take him down with us. For the record I voted remain!!

Buteo Wed 07-Nov-18 08:46:46

Maybe I need to start a pet sitting business ...

Peregrina Wed 07-Nov-18 09:30:25

We just need a different agreement.

But contrary to what Theresa May thinks and her warring Government, shouting "Brexit means Brexit" doesn't mean that these laws are going to write themselves. Someone is going to have to sit down and start drafting the law. This is just one of the hundreds of areas which will be affected but no one bothered to think about.

bellinisurge Wed 07-Nov-18 11:39:41

I'm old enough to remember the days when you simply did not take your pet abroad because of the fear of rabies. As for bringing pets in, the quarantine was the only way.
Why do people think we can get around this with pet passports that are no longer valid?
It is stupid and childish to think we can avoid a return to quarantine etc just because it's easier. Loads of things are easier if we stay in the EU. But we aren't. So, put up with it. If this was a key concern for you, you should have voted Remain. And if you did but still didn't realise this would happen, well maybe you can ask your Leave voting friends and neighbours that you didn't manage to convince.
Protect our boarders as a pp has already said.

ScreamingValenta Wed 07-Nov-18 11:46:55

Surely pet travel rules should be founded on safety, not political considerations? It will be no more dangerous to take your pet overseas after Brexit, than it was before. I don't understand the rationale for changing this.

I'm a remain voter, but I have to say this wasn't something I considered as part of my decision to vote remain.

DGRossetti Wed 07-Nov-18 12:09:17

I'm old enough to remember the days when you simply did not take your pet abroad because of the fear of rabies.

So am I. We used to have terrifying posters in schools in the 70s.

That said, is rabies a rural or urban threat ? I guess urban foxes can be carriers.

My DF never believed the UK was rabies free. It wasn't unknown where he came from in the deep south if Italy.

1tisILeClerc Wed 07-Nov-18 12:13:43

It is possible that the UK gov may get an agreement with the EU to continue the pet passport scheme pretty much as it is now. BUT in the grand scheme of 'Brexit balls up' it will be a long way down the line when you consider the army may still need to be called in to distribute food and medicines unless the gov actually make a sensible plan that is agreed with the EU.

1tisILeClerc Wed 07-Nov-18 12:15:34

That will be the government that are having a recess, such is their concern for the country.

bellinisurge Wed 07-Nov-18 12:22:17

@ScreamingValenta - why should the authorities in any country in the EU take my word for it that my pet is not a danger. Why should it accept "pet passports " that do not accord with EU standards?
There may well be a stage where they say UK pet passports are designated as appropriate but there naturally has to be a transition period when they are not.

Talkstotrees Wed 07-Nov-18 12:22:34

It’s all about safety Valenta. Allowing animals unfettered access to mainland Europe without having any knowledge or input into the regulations of the country of origin would be dangerous to local wildlife/pets/people.

It’s not ‘political’.

ScreamingValenta Wed 07-Nov-18 12:29:07

Why should it accept "pet passports " that do not accord with EU standards?

Allowing animals unfettered access to mainland Europe without having any knowledge or input into the regulations of the country of origin

My understanding was that all existing EU law would be grandfathered to post-Brexit UK, so I don't believe the existing scheme will become (potentially) unsafe immediately as none of the UK's laws will change overnight - they will still be those into which the EU had knowledge and input, for some time.

A transition period to a new scheme would be needed, but I don't see a reason to scrap the old scheme before it's implemented.

1tisILeClerc Wed 07-Nov-18 12:47:46

Unfortunately you are falling for UK Gov bullsh£t. Just photocopying the rules in only the start. All the certification that upholds the rules has to be renegotiated, thus UK vets would need to be relicensed/certified that they are working to EU regulations. Again, it is something that CAN be done but it won't happen on the morning of 30th March.

Buteo Wed 07-Nov-18 12:48:05

I don't understand the rationale for changing this.

The “rationale” is, that in the event of No Deal, the UK becomes a third country and all the UK’s current agreements with the EU are ended.

Buteo Wed 07-Nov-18 12:49:06

And that’s 750 treaties and agreements, BTW.

ScreamingValenta Wed 07-Nov-18 12:50:29

Well, as I said, this wasn't something I thought of when I voted remain - had I known about it, it would have been another reason to add to my long list.

Pissedoffdotcom Wed 07-Nov-18 12:54:04

I remember the quarantine days, as military family our cat had to do quarantine when we did Germany - UK & back again 12 months later!

I didn't vote Brexit BUT one bonus I see of it is that dodgy ass people will no longer find it so easy to bring pets into the country without any thought for what they might be carrying. Certainly a lot safer for our pets!!

DGRossetti Wed 07-Nov-18 16:40:01

The “rationale” is, that in the event of No Deal, the UK becomes a third country

You could tattoo that on peoples faces, and some still would never get what it means. Remember, we're British. We can't possibly be a 3rd country. We used to rule the world doncha'know ?

HappyHugs Mon 19-Nov-18 21:12:36

This will be an interesting one for the pets and livestock whose homes and fields criss cross the Irish border numerous times every day....hmm

Talkstotrees Fri 23-Nov-18 17:11:54

Just received an email from Vets4Pets, directing me here: www.vets4pets.com/pet-health-advice/brexit-and-pet-travel/

1tisILeClerc Fri 23-Nov-18 17:20:58

{This will be an interesting one for the pets and livestock whose homes and fields criss cross the Irish border numerous times every day}

Maybe cattle are more intelligent than Westminster MPs after all?

Talkinpeece Fri 23-Nov-18 17:26:37

This will be an interesting one for the pets and livestock whose homes and fields criss cross the Irish border numerous times every day....

It would make filming One Man and his Dog more amusing though wink

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