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End of Freedom of Movement for Pets

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Lico Tue 06-Nov-18 21:38:17

EU pet passports and chips no longer valid if no deal.
Return of blood tests and health certificates.
Even pets are bargaining chips!
It is the will of the people.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-travel-to-europe-after-brexit

https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/listed-and-unlisted-countries

MongerTruffle Tue 06-Nov-18 21:41:46

I can't believe that this is a surprise. Leaving the EU without a deal will cause EU law to stop applying to the UK.

1tisILeClerc Tue 06-Nov-18 21:49:28

Apparently 'Leave' meant 'Leave' so of course any cooperation between the UK and EU is likely to stop, which is what 'Leave' voters wanted.
The EU have always said 'no cherrypicking', so we knew this from the beginning.

Lico Tue 06-Nov-18 22:06:18

In this case , the UK will demand that any pets travelling out of the UK to the EU will have to have blood tests and health certificates prior to leaving the UK in order to be able to return to the UK. Otherwise the good old quarantine kennels where pets died (remember Patten's pets?) will apply.
Not sure why pets should be subjected to a no deal!

MongerTruffle Tue 06-Nov-18 22:12:19

It's not a case of 'demanding' anything. If, hypothetically, there is no deal, EU law will stop applying to the UK and there will be no legal basis for freedom of movement.

Bloodyfucksake Tue 06-Nov-18 22:15:26

I hate Brexit and anyone who voted for it - yes you PIL!
Why have we made our lives so much harder? Why? I only wish someone would spell it out.

Lico Tue 06-Nov-18 22:34:57

Monger truffle :
This is not about fucking EU law but about pets going on holidays!!

Read the subject matter properly before writing any replies.

We are talking about Fido travelling out of the UK for a holiday!

Are you a Russian bot?

MongerTruffle Tue 06-Nov-18 22:49:02

This is not about fucking EU law but about pets going on holidays!!
It certainly is about EU law. The only thing that the UK government can do to stop freedom of movement ending is to reach an agreement with the EU (or cancel Brexit entirely).

Alfie190 Tue 06-Nov-18 22:59:22

I have moved with pets across three continents (not EU), it really is no big deal.

IncomingCannonFire Tue 06-Nov-18 23:00:25

Not sure why pets should be subjected to a no deal!
You don't have to take pets abroad. Your priorities are a bit skewed I think.

Peregrina Wed 07-Nov-18 00:42:43

Coming back from holiday this summer, I was quite surprised at the number of cars getting on the ferry who had pets on board.

Well, it's a nuisance to have to board them in kennels or get a friend to look after them, but this is what you voted for, so stop whining, Leavers.

bellinisurge Wed 07-Nov-18 06:11:22

Why is it evil to have strict livestock/ domestic pet laws? It protects everyone in the territory covered by those laws.
I would be annoyed at someone trying to impose restrictions on migratory birds or fish. But not pets or racing animals or livestock. This is called Leaving the EU.
What about those poor sods in Spain who have retired there or moved there for work and have pets there they can't easily bring back to the UK e.g. if they return to care for sick relatives. I pity them. Especially as most voted Remain, if they had a vote.
Suck it up, buttercup.

Buteo Wed 07-Nov-18 06:47:22

Well, it's a nuisance to have to board them in kennels

So this is what Brexiteers mean when they keep saying “we’re taking back control of our boarders” wink

lonelyplanetmum Wed 07-Nov-18 06:49:31

Borders against borders! 🐕

NonaGrey Wed 07-Nov-18 06:55:03

This is not about fucking EU law but about pets going on holidays!!

Yes Lico but it EU law that allowed your pet to go on holiday in the first place.

This isn’t the EU being mean it’s just the basic consequences of Brexit. There will be all sorts of similar problems going forward.

It’s apparently what people wanted.

LEMtheoriginal Wed 07-Nov-18 06:56:24

I am more concerned about cascade regulations regarding medication. This could cause a potential supply issue for veterinary products not routinely available in the UK. I havent looked into it though so it is just a personal concern.

eurochick Wed 07-Nov-18 06:58:30

I don't understand your reply to mongertruffle. Of course this is about law. It's law that sets the requirements for pets to travel. In the EU that is EU law. Brexit means EU law will cease to apply to the UK.

MoggyP Wed 07-Nov-18 06:59:02

I'm 'intensely relaxed' about this aspect.

Not all procedures matter, and pets' holidays aren't necessary/important by any stretch..

NonaGrey Wed 07-Nov-18 07:01:29

Does anyone know the position re guidedogs...

Unicyclethief Wed 07-Nov-18 07:05:25

What will change though? Considering the pet passport scheme is worldwide and not just EU?

anniehm Wed 07-Nov-18 07:15:45

Rubbish - pet passports work for the USA too and they are not in the EU. We just need a different agreement. I'm pro remain but fed up with half truths

Buteo Wed 07-Nov-18 07:16:08

From: www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2018/august/how-prepare-if-uk-leaves-eu-no-deal

Pet travel - guide and assistance dogs

Scenarios vary according how the EU classifies the UK.

The UK becomes a ‘third country’, linked to a country’s animal health status. It could have one of three catgorisations: Part 1 listed, Part 2 listed or ‘unlisted’. On arrival in the EU, pet owners travelling with their pet would still be required to report to a Travellers’ Point of Entry.

Part 1: Changes needed to documentation but no change for pet owners from what they currently need to do in terms of health preparations.

Part 2: Before a dog could travel from the UK to an EU country for the first time, it would need to be taken to an Official Veterinarian (OV) at least 21 days in advance to ensure the dog has a microchip and rabies vaccination. The OV would issue a health certificate. This would be valid for ten days after the date of issue for entry into the EU, and for four months of onward travel within the EU. Health certificates would have to be issued for each trip to the EU.

Unlisted: You would need to discuss preparations for your dog’s travel with an Official Veterinarian (OV) at least four months in advance of the date you wish to travel. You would need to prove your dog is effectively vaccinated against rabies. If your dog has never had a vaccination or it is not up to date you will need to have a blood test 30 days after the vaccination followed by a further three-month waiting period before you can travel with your dog.

Buteo Wed 07-Nov-18 07:20:09

Rubbish - pet passports work for the USA too and they are not in the EU. We just need a different agreement. I'm pro remain but fed up with half truths

It’s not a half truth:

From the UK Government’s own “no deal” notices:

If there’s no deal, pet passports issued in the UK would not be valid for travel to the EU.

Beamur Wed 07-Nov-18 07:22:33

Why does this come as any kind of surprise?
Being part of Europe = various privileges and reciprocal agreements.
Not in Europe = who knows right now.

1tisILeClerc Wed 07-Nov-18 07:41:46

Of course you can travel with pets in future, but what is currently a 'formality' will need rather more attention in future. Timing of getting 'Part 2' as shown above means that a 'I can pop over to Calais for the day, turns into a significant planning session.
Taking a cat to Saudi (don't ask!) has very tight time schedules as you have to get confirmation from a vet and the paperwork signed off at the Saudi embassy both within 48 hours.

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