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Brexit

Has anyone noticed how often Leavers say 'I'm not going to change my mind'

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Bearbehind · 13/10/2018 17:47

Or words to that effect.

I've literally never heard anyone on the Remain side say that. We all just say 'show me the benefits and I might change my mind'

It now seems like a point of principle among Leavers that they aren't going to change their minds, no matter what.

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emmeyebea · 13/10/2018 17:52

Eh?
Not my experience - whole family is solidly in the Remain camp, and I've never heard any of them say anything like that. If anything they are all even more in favour of remaining than before.

llangennith · 13/10/2018 17:55

Maybe the Leavers had already thought it through properly.

Bearbehind · 13/10/2018 17:56

I mean when discussing Brexit.

It's pointless discussing anything if you resolutely stand by the principle that you will never change your mind on the subject, no matter what evidence is presented.

The fact that you and your family are even more in favour of remaining is simply due to the fact the evidence is more and more compelling that it's the right thing to do.

Conversely, Leavers see the same evidence and just revert to 'we won' or 'I won't be convinced otherwise'

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Bearbehind · 13/10/2018 17:57

Maybe the Leavers had already thought it through properly.

If only 🤔

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Bearbehind · 13/10/2018 18:35

My OP wasn't very clear - what I'm wondering is what hope is there of a sensible resolution here when those in favour of it are so steadfast in their determination to plough on, whatever the consequences.

In what other situation in life would you ever say 'I'm not going to listen to any evidence to the contrary, I believe in my decision, despite not being about to articulate why, and I refuse to change my mind'

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HateIsNotGood · 13/10/2018 19:45

O OP it's hard and inexplicable I know and you seem very.very worried about how other people think.

Remember what lots of Remain voters have already said (and many that didn't bother to vote too) - that the people that voted to Leave are stupid, racist, bigoted, too old, dead (died since the Ref), believe all the propaganda, etc, etc. So to expect any reasoned argument from those types of people is just impossible.

Hopefully, those that voted to Remain will use their obviously greater intellect and reasoning to achieve what they want. Until then the best you can really hope for is that more people that didn't vote the same as you die before you do - which is apparently why the Leave vote won - all those old people intent on fucking up your life and your children's life apparently.

Of course, you will be an Old Person that the Young will clamour to to hear your great wisdom when you are old. But very unlikely, you'll be called a stupid cunt too - just what we all want our Granny called.

HTH - Hun.

Bearbehind · 13/10/2018 19:50

Beautifully eloquent and well reasoned argument as ever there hate

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bellinisurge · 13/10/2018 19:54

I've said repeatedly on here and in real life - I soo want to be wrong. If the worst thing that happens is that I am wrong, I can live happily with that ". Not heard anything similar from Leave supporters.

Fattymcfaterson · 13/10/2018 19:56

We all just say 'show me the benefits and I might change my mind

Yes, alot do. In a horribly condescending and goady way.

Bearbehind · 13/10/2018 19:59

No fatty - it's in a 'I really want to see the good in this, can you show me' kind of way.

I just don't understand the mentality of those Leavers who openly state they'll never change their mind regardless of the outcome.

You'd never do that with any other decision - why this?

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Eminybob · 13/10/2018 19:59

I would happily have my mind changed if someone told me some actual tangible benefits of leaving. I would love to believe that it is the right thing for the country, because at the end of the day it’s happening whether I like it or not.
But as it stands nobody has convinced me yet.

Winebottle · 13/10/2018 20:00

I agree it is pointless discussing it. Few people will change their mind now. It is confirmation bias.

It's all well saying you will change your mind if you are shown the evidence but you will discount any arguments anyone makes.

Everyone has heard all the arguments now. Repeating them is not going to change people's mind. People have been saying it is going to be bad for the economy for the last three years. I still don't give a shit.

Prestonsflowers · 13/10/2018 20:02

HateIsNotGood

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

GallusKat · 13/10/2018 20:03

Flouncers are my delicious, guilty pleasure.

Bearbehind · 13/10/2018 20:06

People have been saying it is going to be bad for the economy for the last three years. I still don't give a shit.

But why wine?

What is so bad about the EU that it's worth absolutely any consequences?

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GallusKat · 13/10/2018 20:06

ummm wrong type of 'leavers' and jumped in with my nonsense. Apologies... I shall flounce from this post now.

PardonMyWedgie · 13/10/2018 20:09

Many who voted Remain before will spitefully vote Leave if they get another chance, either b/c they feel they were lied to by Project Fear or they resent even being asked again. Childish shit, but that's humans for you. Like those who voted Leave the first time to "give a kicking to the establishment."

I haven't conversed openly with any Relinquish voters. We're so far apart, it wouldn't be a helpful exchange.

KennDodd · 13/10/2018 20:11

I think it's a known thing in physiology, when somebody Is wedded to a position, nothing can move them. If you show them evidence that contradicts their view, even rock solid evidence, they just become MORE convinced of their position. I'm aware that this is a thing and do try my best to be open minded to the fact I may be wrong (about anything).

Bearbehind · 13/10/2018 20:14

What physiology is that kenn?

It makes no sense.

The only thing I've ever heard of it before is in cults.

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KennDodd · 13/10/2018 20:16

I don't know any 'deliberate' Leave voters who have changed their minds but I do know some who bitterly wish the referendum had never happened and say it's the worse thing any govenment (their living memory) has done (while still voting Tory).

KennDodd · 13/10/2018 20:19

@Bearbehind

I can't remember the name for it, it's like confirmation bias, but not. I'll see if I can find it.

I'm guessing you've never tried arguing with a flat earthen or anti vaxer though :)

Buteo · 13/10/2018 20:28

Belief perseverance.

It’s the tendency to cling to an initial belief even after receiving new information that contradicts or dis- confirms the basis of that belief.

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Bearbehind · 13/10/2018 20:32

Thanks buteo

Interestingly even the wiki definition links it to cults.

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lljkk · 13/10/2018 20:36

Trump base, too. They believe everything he tells them to.

KennDodd · 13/10/2018 20:40

Thank you @Buteo

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance

I think it's good to know confirmation bias exists and that we can ALL be guilty of it so we can try to be as open minded as possible.

I do think only a fool can come out with 'there's nothing that will ever convince me to change my mind.

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