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No Deal and Product Standards and no tariffs...

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lljkk Sat 11-Aug-18 10:47:50

I hope someone understands this, or feels the know some answers.

Some Brexiters said No Deal is fine, we can have 'no tariffs' which everyone who doesn't manufacture anything in UK will benefit from, via lower prices.

But what about product standards, like rules about which pesticides food can be exposed to, or electrical safety or no lead in paint, etc. CE safety marks.

Does no tariffs = no product standards apply any more? Else, maybe non-EU goods won't undermine British manufacturers, right, if non-EU can't meet the legal standards for a budget price after all?

Will all the same mechanisms exist post Brexit that exist now for verifying that things are safe & legal sell here? How quickly or easily can UK develop infrastructure to deal with many more goods coming in from outside EU, so need to be checked if they meet our product standards? Is that verification process easy to ramp up quickly?

SoloD Sat 11-Aug-18 11:45:31

Currently, when we leave in March we will maintain the same rulebook with regards to product standards.

Ideally, the EU will recognise this but they are under no obligation to and if we have left and are not paying the money we owe the EU then it is likely they will use this to close off the EU markets from us.

If we lower our standards the more scrutiny products coming from the UK will have when they go to the EU. The UK already has an appalling reputation in this regard, www.politico.eu/article/uk-faces-e2-billion-eu-payment-for-china-fraud-trade/

If we allow in hormone grown beef etc, which are banned in the EU, it will be impossible not to have a hard border in Ireland.

It is very messy.

lljkk Sat 11-Aug-18 11:47:52

So will No Deal mean that all imported products still have to meet current UK standards, how will we ensure that if huge number of goods come from outside EU?

YeTalkShiteHen Sat 11-Aug-18 11:50:16

We can’t is the short answer.

It’s an absolute shitshow, even the people supposedly in charge haven’t the faintest idea what’s happening.

SoloD Sat 11-Aug-18 12:02:25

Currently, the UK has a very lax regime.

When I import goods from Turkey (which is in the Customs Union). I simply need the invoice and a form which shows where they were from. When I export to the US, I need a lot more paperwork including the safety certification etc.

Once we leave we will be outside the customs union and the EU will demand much more paperwork. This tweet by Deborah Meaden gives you an idea about the state of play.

I am not exaggerating or playing project fear but this is going to be a huge jobs killer. And this is just goods. Services which accounts for the bulk of our exports are entirley excluded.

lljkk Sat 11-Aug-18 12:23:43

I just wondered b/c it's supposed to be a benefit of NoDeal = no tariffs = super cheap food
(ignore whether that wipes out British farmers & food producers or whether containers will be piled high at our ports due to extra paperwork due to their diverse origins from places we have no trade deal with or what happens on Norn border)

Can we get super cheap food that meets our product standards, or will we need to remove our product standards to get the super cheap food?

Ditto for fabrics or plastic toys or electronics...

SoloD Sat 11-Aug-18 12:52:25

The reason it is "super cheap" is that the costs of production are super low".

This can mean things like efficiency. Like the huge farms you get in Australia. Or it can mean the use of growth hormones, antibiotics and too fast processing etc. None of these things I would choose to eat.

Given there is a huge financial incentive to mislabel foods (i.e. horse meat, Chicken King scandal, etc) this sort of food will enter food chains and you will eat it at some point.

Buteo Sat 11-Aug-18 15:33:18

And if the UK doesn’t impose any tariffs, where would be the incentive for any country to sign trade deals?

lljkk Sat 11-Aug-18 17:35:34

good point, Buteo, I keep forgetting that!!

lljkk Sat 11-Aug-18 17:40:31

Singapore has very low import tariffs yet it also has loads of bilateral deals where its goods get no tariffs exported into specific countries. What has Singapore given in return; zero tariff reciprocity? This talks about stamp duty for foreign property buyers.

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