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RedToothBrush Thu 21-Jun-18 08:04:25

It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

Theworldisfullofgs Thu 21-Jun-18 08:08:55

Thanks. I know I just pop up occasionally and I do appreciate the thread.

RedToothBrush Thu 21-Jun-18 08:14:41

PS the Royal Mail is just about to release it's Dad's Army collection of stamps just in time for our 'independence day'. Farage will be chuffed to bits.

AndSheSteppedOnTheBall Thu 21-Jun-18 08:15:33

Someone on twitter said Theresa May’s announcement last night looked like a hostage video.

It really, really did.

woman11017 Thu 21-Jun-18 08:15:50

Good morning everyone, thank you red. Apartheid was sooooo annoying and took quite a wee while to beat. Onwards! smile

Motheroffourdragons Thu 21-Jun-18 08:30:14

Thanks, Red.

I could do with some more piccies of cute cuddly animals to cheer me up!

Cherrypi Thu 21-Jun-18 08:30:24

Made the mistake of reading the comments under our upcoming town brexit debate. People really want a hard brexit on there. The debate is about whether there should be a public vote on the final deal. At this point I think if the ballot said would you like to lose your job and access to food and medicine or be part of a customs union the majority would pick losing their jobs. It’s so frustrating. I don’t see minds changing for a generation no matter what happens.

lonelyplanetmum Thu 21-Jun-18 08:32:38

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RedToothBrush Thu 21-Jun-18 08:33:11

Did you hear the one about how the tourist steam train in Cumbria has a new timetable? It's taking commuters to and from work in 2018.

No this is not a joke.

Scoopofchaff Thu 21-Jun-18 08:35:29

Agree Cherrypi sad to say being a Brexiteer had become a cultural identifier/a cultural marker - nothing to do with facts or logic - its for this reason I have never favoured a second ref.

IrenetheQuaint Thu 21-Jun-18 08:38:57

It's a vintage diesel, not a steam locomotive <pedantic> but yes extraordinary that Northern Rail have failed to such an extent.

Tambien Thu 21-Jun-18 08:50:54

Place mat king.

Thanks rtb

54321go Thu 21-Jun-18 08:51:50

Good morning folks, and thanks again to Red.
I am afraid you might need to find a safe hiding place for your fluffy friend if things really do go badly. I will only say the word 'pie' and leave it at that. As an observation though they appear regularly in the supermarket counters 'over here'.
I think (and obviously hope) that if there were shortages it would be relatively short lived as in March/April there is not a huge amount of UK grown food at a stage to be harvested meaning much comes from abroad. Priority would be given to food supplies as the risk of large scale rioting would be massively damaging, not politically but if looting and other activities were happening the gov (Army) would not be able to contain it.
It is a 'political' balls up, not 'war' so food will exist (maybe not enough in Britain) and all transport will exist as it does now, no one is sinking food convoys in the Atlantic and it is 'only' the inhabitants of a fairly small, increasingly isolated island. Previously it was the UK (and Ireland) AND much of Europe where the growing of food was being hampered by war.
How the gov can be persuaded to stop this madness I have no idea, but the loss of many jobs will slowly concentrate 'thinking' peoples minds (those that are still playing with their unicorns).
The longer this goes on, the 'harder' the EU will make any 'deals'. It's simple 'parenting' (keeping a MN theme). You ask your child to do some small household chore. They refuse so you gradually escalate your 'request' to lack of treats to withdrawal of their mobile.

mrsreynolds Thu 21-Jun-18 08:54:10

Thanks red

Feeling incredibly worried atm and pondering on this time 2 years ago. What has become of this country??

Thanks for the leaflet link. I will print that off.

I'm just about to go to to aldi and stock up!

Interestingly dh is now agreeing to stock up on food and meds. And to keep some cash ready.

When is the next important date/ru meeting? October?

54321go Thu 21-Jun-18 08:57:38

@Red and Irene, I think several of the 'tourist' lines do this or at least have aspirations to do it if the PW (that is the track for non anoraks) goes to suitable places. PW being Permanent Way, a (Victorian) aspiration of the status of the route. They INTENDED things to last.

54321go Thu 21-Jun-18 08:59:02

Tut Tut @Mrs, Aldi, that's European 'forrin' stuff, just not BRITISH!

prettybird Thu 21-Jun-18 09:00:49

I'm just glad that dh has put up his dad's old greenhouse in our garden. That means I should be able to get some early veg for April next year (at least salad leaves) and the rest should have a good head start! smile

Place mat king wink

LegoBitcho Thu 21-Jun-18 09:02:28

I've had to stop reading these thread as I'm finding it so depressing. But I'm checking back in as fuck it, I do need to know what's going on.

Oh the irony of my above comment sad

MessyMeTarr Thu 21-Jun-18 09:02:33

I don't want a second referendum either. I thought my parents and in laws had changed their minds as they had gone quiet, but they haven't. It's ingrained now. My FIL seems to delight in trying to wind me up about it. Dreading the next time I have to see them. I'm so angry with them. Perhaps misplaced, but there we are. Their reasons can be summed up by not liking seeing Polish things/language (they would have barely seen any) and wanting more powerful Hoovers and light bulbs. Both sets suffering from extreme Daily Mail poisoning. They think everything will be fine and we will carry on as before.

Meanwhile, there's a very real risk they've completely knackered their grand children's futures both short and long term.

If I could, I'd go now. I really would. Even if by some miracle it's all fine, I hate what we've become.

SusanWalker Thu 21-Jun-18 09:05:50

Place mark with a pic

Tambien Thu 21-Jun-18 09:07:52

I've had to stop reading these thread as I'm finding it so depressing. But I'm checking back in as fuck it, I do need to know what's going on.

Ditto.
I’ve been here under names for the last 2 years. I’ve had break as it was getting so depressing, came back, went again.
These last couple of weeks/days have made my heart sink. Even more because a hell of lot of what you find on the Westminstender thread aren’t on mainstream news (eg the charter of human rights).

TheElementsSong Thu 21-Jun-18 09:12:49

Thanks for the new thread Red sad

Alltheprettyseahorses Thu 21-Jun-18 09:19:48

I don't want a second referendum because that was held in 2016. I want a third one. If I accept it is fair to hold a second referendum because so much has changed since we originally joined the EEC, then the same argument applies to events since the second referendum. Are Leavers confident enough they're right to take the chance they will win again? At the moment, results are 50/50. Why not make it decisive?

54321go Thu 21-Jun-18 09:22:43

If you look on the BBC website there is an article about a young Afghan lady doing university entrance exam with her baby, very inspiring.
Another about the Gov in Algeria ordering the internet and mobile phones throughout the country to be switched off for the duration of some high school exams. (an hour or so at a time, not for days on end).
Switching off mobile phone access for say half an hour to have a 'Brexit thought for the day' to give people time to really think what they are doing to the UK.
It will get the UK used to the idea of blackouts in the future too.

BigChocFrenzy Thu 21-Jun-18 09:27:19

Thanks for the new thread, red winkthanks
We continue to get through them at warp speed; many worried people wanting info & support.

I'm so glad I emigrated, away from the looming disaster
- this was the fallback plan I created as soon as the pig-poker announced he'd farted out a referendum
So I emigrated literally a few days later. Disruptive, but worth it.

However, so many people have commitments that they can't leave
or wouldn't easily be able to support themselves abroad.

Pig-poker will be fine though angry Competing with May for the title of Worst Ever Uk PM
all the HoC Brexiters, Smogg, Bojo and Dacre, Ashcroft, Murdoch - the Tory's absent LLs
Even DD isn't too drippy to look after no 1 - probably what he's been doing all this time, instead of talking to Barnier

They all have their assets abroad, houses to go to, 2nd passports / non-dom status on demand …
They sure as hell won't be queuing up to buy their rations, when their delusions meet reality.

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