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Westminstenders: Rebel or Reveal

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RedToothBrush Sun 17-Jun-18 10:14:39

The EU Withdrawal Bill made it through the Commons. Though May did not manage it unscathed.

In an attempt to divide and conquer the Rebels, May might have damaged trust. We shall find out. The Grieve Amendment faces the Lords. We also will see if the Lords will back down on their amendments or apply some new ones for the Commons to deal with in Parliamentary Ping Pong.

Aaron Banks has been exposed as being pally with the Russian Embassy in a plot twist that absolutely everyone saw coming.

Meanwhile the EU thinks we have already run out of time and is preparing options to extend talks beyond the a50 deadline. These include having MEPs for the 2019 - 2024 session.

There is also growing talk around Europe that freedom of movement in its current form is unsustainable. Ironically we might see the EU adopt something akin to Cameron's pre-referendum proposals as the EU reforms.

Theresa May has also announced - at a moment when she is looking particularly weak - a new tax for the NHS, cunningly disguised in spin as 'the Brexit dividend'. Of course shareholders don't always get dividends and at times of poor economic performance instead might be asked to stump up extra capital...Expect to see buses with £350 million of the side just in time for the next general election cycle.

And so the Zombie PM limbers on towards the end of the summer session and the relative safety of the summer holidays. More drama, cringing and disbelief guaranteed before we get there.

borntobequiet Sun 17-Jun-18 10:18:42

Thanks again Red

TheNumberfaker Sun 17-Jun-18 10:24:10

Thanks Red. The £350M for the NHS is obviously in preparation for a GE, either imminently or 4 years time.

commonarewe Sun 17-Jun-18 10:27:35

There is also growing talk around Europe that freedom of movement in its current form is unsustainable. Ironically we might see the EU adopt something akin to Cameron's pre-referendum proposals as the EU reforms.

And if the fools running the EU had shown just a particle of flexibility on one of their precious "red lines", there would have been no Brexit, no drama, no chaos. Thanks a lot, chums.

Meanwhile, Italy has become the latest country to say no to endless boatloads of migrants, while Germany may finally be starting to say no to Merkel and her own bonkers policies.

It will be ironic if Britain leaves just as Europe begins to fix itself - I wish they'd done so earlier, so we didn't have to go.

54321go Sun 17-Jun-18 10:27:43

Thanks RTB but you are continuing to prevent me doing any real work.
[May might have damaged trust]
Did anyone really trust here before?
I am failing to understand why the EU don't just tell the UK to '*uck off' and present Mrs May with the bill for the extra work that the EU has had to put in while watching the kids in the pram throwing the toys out. Plus the 40 Billion that is due to be paid for work in hand.
The concept that parliament will close for (long) holidays at a time when 'quite serious' things need sorting out is staggering.

54321go Sun 17-Jun-18 10:37:44

Absolutely @commonarewe.
Had the UK hung in there a while longer things would have been so different. It was obvious that the immigration/refugee crisis is going to be a massive issue and it is a black mark to the EU in that no solutions have been found yet but in partial defense getting all 27/28 to agree on a 'best' policy was always going to be tricky.
The UK receives very few of these immigrants directly due to geography, you won't survive in the North or Irish sea for any length of time so the EU 'requirement' for first footfall country hosting immigrants didn't apply.
Maybe a sneaky workaround for Italy Spain etc would be to pick up the refugees and ferry them around to the coast off Cornwall or Wales and put them adrift in decent boats there. International law states they would have to be looked after.

20nil Sun 17-Jun-18 10:38:30

Thanks red.

commonarewe Sun 17-Jun-18 10:45:11

Maybe a sneaky workaround for Italy Spain etc would be to pick up the refugees and ferry them around to the coast off Cornwall or Wales and put them adrift in decent boats there. International law states they would have to be looked after.

Oh, you joker - international law would permit us to respond to such a hostile action as we would to any other invasion. If you wanted to see a right-of-UKIP government sweep to power, you couldn't devise a better stimulus.

Motheroffourdragons Sun 17-Jun-18 10:54:16

Another new thread, thanks Red flowers

TheElementsSong Sun 17-Jun-18 11:01:16

Thanks for the new thread Red!

mrsreynolds Sun 17-Jun-18 11:05:25

Thanks red

WifeofDarth Sun 17-Jun-18 11:26:54

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall Sun 17-Jun-18 11:30:58

Thanks red

DGRossetti Sun 17-Jun-18 11:34:19

has authorised a kid to get cannabis for his health*

Given the UK is the worlds largest manufacturer of cannabis for medicine (not really sure how we managed that fairy story ... cannabis which our own government insists has no medical value, being such a great export. Oh hang on - of course. Tory MPs have shares in the company. Dummkopf ! )

54321go Sun 17-Jun-18 11:35:14

'Who will rid me of this turbulent priest', not sure if the quote is correct but as in all situations there are many possible ways of doing things.
What is 'right', legal and moral are 3 separate ways of looking at things.
OK rather than that plan, if suitable ships were 'accidentally left drifting' suitable for immigrants to make it as far as UK waters that would be more acceptable. Possibly like Russia 'accidentally' left some nerve agent out and some naughty people took it and used it to (allegedly) poison the Scripals. 'I only popped out of the office for a minute and it disappeared'.
Of course had the UK continued with discussions on the immigrants getting from N Africa etc to Southern Europe we may have got closer to a solution. Financially the UK is likely to lose out more with the Brexit shambles than if it accepted ALL the immigrants and built houses for them in England.
Meanwhile on the rusting hulk that is Brexit what news?

Icantreachthepretzels Sun 17-Jun-18 11:40:55

It will be ironic if Britain leaves just as Europe begins to fix itself - I wish they'd done so earlier, so we didn't have to go.

It's OK - we still don't have to. March for the people's vote is on Saturday...

Thanks for the new thread, red - I can;t believe how quickly the last one filled up, it only began on Tuesday!

Heyduggeesflipflop Sun 17-Jun-18 11:41:54

54321

So if you decanted the population of Syria into the uk and built houses for them that would be cheaper than Brexit

The zealots on these threads never cease to surprise

54321go Sun 17-Jun-18 11:42:26

Damn I forgot, Maybe it is the armaments that are being used to bomb various countries that are causing the inhabitants to want to leave their homes in a nice warm country to flee to Europe /UK. The armaments that we, Americans, Russia and, Chinese etc are selling to corrupt governments who have no regard for their populace who go against the will of their people. Remind mewhat is the UK Gov doing?

commonarewe Sun 17-Jun-18 11:44:14

54321 - what you're proposing is lunacy. It's not just the UK that wants Europe's external borders secured, virtually every European country has seen either a surge in the far right or their rise to government because of the open borders loons' fanatical obsession with allowing all and sundry into the Continent.

Control the borders, and the far right becomes irrevelant. Open them, and Italy will not be the last domino to fall.

shartsi Sun 17-Jun-18 11:44:39

54321 you sound really thick with your ideas.

Heyduggeesflipflop Sun 17-Jun-18 11:46:39

54321

Isis have almost been destroyed in Iraq due to those bombs. Unless you are happy with a radical Islamic state enslaving people?

The left wing: lots of stuff to say, but no practical solutions to offer the real world

Icantreachthepretzels Sun 17-Jun-18 11:49:15

Wow the leavers are out ion force today ... getting panicked I think. Maybe here's why...

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/why-isnt-there-greater-outrage-about-russian-involvement-in-brexit

Carole Cadwalladr has written a lengthy article in the observer further exposing Leave.eu's links to Russian govt. All TM has up her sleeve is a the old 350 million lie... and straight away even her own mps are pointing out this isn't a brexit dividend it is a tax hike.

It's looking back for the Russian shills and the hard of thinking.

Icantreachthepretzels Sun 17-Jun-18 11:49:56

*looking bad

54321go Sun 17-Jun-18 11:53:09

@heydugg
If we stayed in the EU and were prepared to accept large scale immigration then the EU would very likely support us with the costs. I would expect negotiations of this sort of direction are well underway in Brussels now. I suppose your solution would be to kill them all now and help the various regimes that are doing this already. It would be interesting to know how many trained doctors, nurses and surgeons are among those trying to escape. You seem to think that so many of these WANT to leave homes, jobs friends and family, for the greater part they don't, life used to be good in that part of the world. Damascus WAS a beautiful vibrant city.

GingerPCatt Sun 17-Jun-18 11:55:47

It’s interesting to me that leavers only seem to attack and never offer any actual ideas or solutions to the myriad of problems that leaving the EU is causing/will cause.

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