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RedToothBrush Wed 14-Feb-18 16:20:25

Groundhog day is 2nd Feb.

Its also today. And yesterday. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before.

We have all turned into Bill Murray.

That's Brexit in the UK.

The only progress seems to be linguistic gymnastics not policy.

No action has been implemented, we are still on words going nowhere.

Tick tock, tick tock.

MichaelBendfaster Wed 14-Feb-18 16:31:28

Thanks Red! Placemat King.

DGRossetti Wed 14-Feb-18 16:36:37


mrsreynolds Wed 14-Feb-18 16:37:30

Thanks red ❤

Placemat king

DGRossetti Wed 14-Feb-18 16:39:46

DUP has just ruled out power sharing.

TheElementsSong Wed 14-Feb-18 16:45:51

Thanks RTB - Groundhog Day indeed!

lalalonglegs Wed 14-Feb-18 16:47:00

It sounds as if Arlene has unilaterally declared that there will be no power sharin which suits her just fine so what happens now? Direct rule from WM or (yet more bloody) elections for the N Irish? (And what's happening about the inquiry into the Cash for Ash scandal which she was up to her eyes in?)

PainInTheEar Wed 14-Feb-18 16:50:23

Thanks red!

Reassures indeed hmm

Financial Times
Video: Boris Johnson reassures voters over Brexit

Dobby1sAFreeElf Wed 14-Feb-18 16:50:45

I was going to placemarking but I'll just say thanks and for fucks sake Arlene you twat.

TheArtOfNoise Wed 14-Feb-18 16:52:37

Thanks red brew

BigChocFrenzy Wed 14-Feb-18 16:58:50

Thanks, red thanks

That's depressing, DG but the DUP always opposed the GFA and never wanted power-sharing in the first place
- the familiar "we won, get over it" triumphalism, over a minority that won nearly as many votes as they did

So, does their bung include being allowed to piss over the GFA and the minority ?

Once SF overtakes them and becomes the largest party, I expect the DUP to have a hissy fit
Those supporters, who consider the future, post online that then the border would have to be redrawn, so they can always be top dog in an ever smaller country.

I've plenty of time to surf and find these nuts:
now had 2 weeks on crutches at home after my stupid stairs pratfall, several more weeks to go angry
Sorry if I'm grumpy atm, but I'm very frustrated on one leg; it's ruined a lot of plans I had.

Peregrina Wed 14-Feb-18 17:01:30

I can't help but think that in the normal course of events, TM would just put the customs barrier on the Welsh and Scottish west coasts and tell NI to get lost. But whoops, her botched election put paid to that. Why am I not upset for her?

I do genuinely worry about the GFA breaking down and if the NI situation kills off Brexit, I will be delighted.

Globetrotter100 Wed 14-Feb-18 17:03:30

Thanks Red

Violetparis Wed 14-Feb-18 17:05:38

Thanks Red and all the other regular contributors, I've learned so much from these threads.

CardinalSin Wed 14-Feb-18 17:05:40

Didn't have time to catch up on the last thread, but just saw this;

BoJo joking about British sex tourism

The gift that keeps on giving...

Violetparis Wed 14-Feb-18 17:09:12

learnt not learned !

mathanxiety Wed 14-Feb-18 17:26:43

And this is why it is impossible to have the WM government for all intents and purposes dependent on the DUP for its existence. TM has no leverage at all in NI to make the DUP stick to the GFA and do what they promised the people of NI (not just their supporters) they would do.

Maybe this is the time for SF to announce they will take the loathsome oath with fingers crossed behind their backs, and bring down the government.

The GFA is dead.

BigChocFrenzy Wed 14-Feb-18 17:29:29

Best analysis is from the RoI and an Irish economist, as usual:

(paywall) Conservative civil warriors cannot beat Brexit clock

The UK government must either agree to the EU's preconditions or face catastrophic no-deal

The worst-case scenario for summer 2019 includes beach holidays in the Outer Hebrides and punnets of parsnips at Wimbledon < joy >

Any failure to achieve both a hard Brexit and frictionless access to European markets is the fault of Johnny Foreigner.

There is a continuing refusal to choose from the broad menu on offer from the EU, a menu constrained only by the treaties of which the UK is a signatory.

One could imagine from the tone of some of the UK media coverage that Britain has not resigned from the EU but has been unfairly expelled.

General Melchett, in Blackadder:

* "If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through."* 🤦🏻‍♀️

QuentinSummers Wed 14-Feb-18 18:06:22


BiglyBadgers Wed 14-Feb-18 18:08:02

Place mat king!

prettybird Wed 14-Feb-18 18:12:17

Repeating my post from the end of the last thread in order to Place Mat King.

Dh and I were talking about Zuma and pondering how people become so delusional that they can't recognise the writing on the wall and don't realise that they have lost all power and credibility.

I was hypothesising that because of the way power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, they do genuinely lose all sense of perceptive and self-awareness.

That conversation came back to mind when I listened to BoJo say "I don't wish to contradict you [in response to someone who quoted him as describing Labour on Brexit as "supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies"] but I think I've always been moderate, loving and caring in my language" hmmconfusedangry

So many lies let's not beat about the bush and misleading statements in what he spouted's tiresome to have to continue to point them out (like not having a democratic say in new EU regulations that we might have to abide by, when we are the ones choosing to withdraw from the democratic process confused)

BigChocFrenzy Wed 14-Feb-18 18:17:07

UK govt politicians are still spouting rhetoric and delusion, fact-free
Opposition politicians and Tory Remainers are keeping pretty quiet

With such clueless, cowardly politicians on all sides, the Brexit clock may simply wind down into a default WTO Brexit, that no one planned

Another possibility is that Bojo takes power and does yet another U-turn
He so obviously never believes the rubbish he's been inventing about the EU for the last 20 years
He'd have no struggle compromising his principles, since he has none
He could convince enough people to accept EEA / EFTA, or if transition is renewed a few years, to sneak back into the EU, blaming May

DGRossetti Wed 14-Feb-18 18:24:51

Another possibility is that Bojo takes power and does yet another U-turn

Oh yes ... Brexit is an equal ops shaftfest. brexiteers are just at risk as remainers ...

mrsreynolds Wed 14-Feb-18 18:31:07

Oh dear

A poor lad from labour membership just phoned

I told him - in no uncertain terms - why I am no longer a labour member

He was spluttering quite a bit 😁

twofingerstoEverything Wed 14-Feb-18 18:45:03

Thanks, Red, and all the other regular posters. I do appreciate these WM threads.

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