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Westminstenders: Stuck in the twilightzone

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RedToothBrush Sun 14-Jan-18 23:37:54

Just want to remind everyone if what really matters and what the priority if Theresa May is.

May isn't interested in a new referendum. There is barely time to hold one, and anyone remotely interested in one, isn't named Theresa May. Forget it. Its not happening.

Nor are Brexit talks the most important thing. Whilst Jeremy Corbyn seems finally to be playing with some sort if EEA type solution he's not the one named Theresa May. If she doesn't want one, then it won't happen.

May does seem to favour something along these lines but she has to sell it to her party. If she ends up relying on the support of Labour to push it through against what her party want, then that doesn't end well for her or her party. So Corbyn seeming to squeeze her here isn't necessarily a good thing. It could push her to no deal.

Why?

Cos petty party politics.

THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING, and don't forget this, is the EU withdrawal Bill. As it stands, May has to concentrate her efforts on this. If it doesn't pass by the art 50 deadline then we have legal chaos. May isn't big on the courts, but I'm not sure she would want that situation either. It would be even more unthinkable than queues at Dover coupled with food shortages.

If it doesn't pass, and the Lords will do all they can to delay and obstruct as long as they can, May's only option is to beg for an art 50 extension. Which the EU might not be inclined to give. Which might leave us in a situation where our only option is to revoke a50.

The only predictable thing, is this will be last minute brinkmanship.

All the talk of a second ref is a distraction. Talk of Labour's position at this point, is all about positioning for the next election and not about Brexit at all.

So try to keep your eyes on what really matters and what battles are May's big ones and which are merely side shows.

I wonder who Side Show Bob will turn out to be.

lonelyplanetmum Mon 15-Jan-18 00:20:53

Oooo. First to place mat! I will keep up with this thread. Thank you Red.

You deserve an OBE (if it wasn't harking back to the empire, which as we have established, is one of the many causes of the state we are in).

mathanxiety Mon 15-Jan-18 00:32:24

Thank you Red!

woman11017 Mon 15-Jan-18 06:20:52

flowers red THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING, and don't forget this, is the EU withdrawal Bill 16.1.18 day of action.

frumpety Mon 15-Jan-18 06:47:28

Happy Blue Monday folks smile

HashiAsLarry Mon 15-Jan-18 06:47:39

Thanks rtb

PainInTheEar Mon 15-Jan-18 07:08:29

Thanks red!

Nick Robinson
@bbcnickrobinson
BREAKING Carillion just gone into liquidation (follow @dominicoc on @BBCr4today)

Motheroffourdragons Mon 15-Jan-18 07:14:48

Thanks Red

woman11017 Mon 15-Jan-18 07:16:59

Carillion crisis: hedge funds rake in tens of millions Short-sellers quietly targeted company as far back as 2015 with bets reaching peak before first profit warning in July 2017
www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/14/carillion-crisis-hedge-funds-rake-in-tens-of-millions?CMP=share_btn_tw

The bigger the crime, the easier it is not to be caught?

mathanxiety Mon 15-Jan-18 07:21:47

It's an ill wind, etc...

Everytimeref Mon 15-Jan-18 07:30:51

Thanks "Red". Long term lurker. Have found these threads really informative.

Everytimeref Mon 15-Jan-18 07:31:34

Thanks "Red". Long term lurker. Have found these threads really informative.

HermioneAndMsJones Mon 15-Jan-18 07:46:14

Placemat

PainInTheEar Mon 15-Jan-18 07:55:15

Seems as if Boris is unimpeded in his attempts trying to push hard brexit?

Boris Johnson would 'rather stay in' the EU than accept a soft Brexit

amp.uk.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-brexit-stay-eu-soft-brexit-farage-2018-1?__twitter_impression=true

BiglyBadgers Mon 15-Jan-18 08:04:22

Just placing my mat here.

Peregrina Mon 15-Jan-18 08:07:39

Place mat from me too.

prettybird Mon 15-Jan-18 09:03:33

The fact that Carillion has gone in to liquidation rather than administration shows just how serious a situation it was in shock Just had a argument discussion with dh about whether this now makes it less likely that the government will bail the company as a whole out (because it has been put into liquidation rather than administration) hmm

Blatant place mat king wink

Thanks Red as ever for these threads. flowers

BillsWifePauline Mon 15-Jan-18 09:05:52

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Peregrina Mon 15-Jan-18 09:24:39

So Carillion goes into liquidation. BHS, Monarch and now this - why oh why do the Tories have a reputation for economic competence?

HashiAsLarry Mon 15-Jan-18 09:38:02

Johnson never really wanted to leave the EU anyway!

RhiannonOHara Mon 15-Jan-18 10:20:08

Thanks Red.

Completely agree with

The only predictable thing, is this will be last minute brinkmanship.

All the talk of a second ref is a distraction. Talk of Labour's position at this point, is all about positioning for the next election and not about Brexit at all.

Motheroffourdragons Mon 15-Jan-18 10:28:35

So if Carillon was the company who made mega bucks on the PFI scandal - how come is it in this position now when the NHS has lost millions from this?

Confused.com

twofingerstoEverything Mon 15-Jan-18 10:28:43

Placemat.

Motheroffourdragons Mon 15-Jan-18 10:31:14

Sorry I don't know why that turned into a link blush

Motheroffourdragons Mon 15-Jan-18 10:32:24

And spelling mistakes.

More blush

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