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The smaller consequences of Brexit

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CloudNinetyNine Wed 29-Nov-17 11:42:19

Mostly the big issues are being discussed - NI border, trade, open skies, immigration, bank passporting rights etc.
What are the less significant impacts of Brexit on the individual?

Will we need an international driving licence when we travel?
Will pet passports still be valid?
Will the health card EHIC still be valid?

(Apologies if this has been covered in some of the numerous other threads)

CardinalSin Wed 29-Nov-17 14:04:38

The answer is nobody knows. David Davis doesn't. These will have to be negotiated in any deal, and as yet not a single thing has been sorted.

Encouraging, isn't it...

CloudNinetyNine Wed 29-Nov-17 19:40:58

I'm hoping somebody is in the background looking at all this stuff - or is everything on hold until we know the answers to the big stuff?

EU mobile phone roaming charges have just been scrapped - I wonder if we'll end up paying for them again?

CardinalSin Thu 30-Nov-17 00:06:53

People are looking at it. Unfortunately, they are not ministers, and so they can't actually influence what is going on. The ministers themselves are either ignorant, or deluded.

It's not looking pretty...

Candog Thu 30-Nov-17 00:18:48

Presumably, at least after any transition period, we will lose all that good stuff.

WidowWadman Thu 30-Nov-17 07:44:04

I've asked DVLA what'll happen to my right to drive on my German driver's license to be told they haven't looked into that yet. Because of course they haven't, as it's all a big cluster fuck

prettybird Thu 30-Nov-17 16:03:32

Friend who is a telecoms lawyer who has been part of various working parties on behalf of the telecoms company he represents says the Government doesn't have a clue about the implications, let alone what to do. but as he is an outsourced contractor, it means he is getting lots of extra work and many trips to London hmm

CloudNinetyNine Thu 30-Nov-17 17:09:38

Wadman - I assume you should be able to drive on your German licence for at least a year after Brexit as that's what's allowed for other countries (NZ, Oz for example). I'm sure one year will be ample time to sort out all these minor issues...hmm

Pretty bird - I suppose the one positive from this is all the extra jobs being created to figure all this stuff out!

Peregrina Sat 02-Dec-17 08:10:01

My holiday insurance is underwritten by a Spanish Firm - OK for next year, but I will have to shop around after that.

Ifailed Sat 02-Dec-17 08:37:24

OP, you mentioned the border in Ireland. There are more than 140 areas of north-south co-operation, involving everything from the single electricity market to environmental protection, health-care, education, agriculture etc. All of which need to be re-examined and possibly re-negotiated. Imagine that multiplied up for the whole of the UK - not just between UK and EU, but the rest of the world as once we step away from it, WTO rules take over.

It's a mess, and what's so annoying about it is it was a foreseeable mess. Of course Cameron didn't care about that, he was more worried about a potential split in the tory party and the threat of UKIP, so he put his and his parties interests first. Of course the fall-out will affect the weakest and poorest, upper-class twits playing at being farmers will barely notice.

ACertainRatio Sat 02-Dec-17 09:20:56

This is why I voted Remain. So much pointless time and money wasted on stupid details which are automatically taken care of by our membership of the EU.

I can only hope someone stops this madness in its tracks.

WidowWadman Sat 02-Dec-17 09:34:00

cloud - you're missing the point a) DVLA hasn't even looked into it and b) I'll have cost and inconvenience for replacing a licence I was fine to drive on over here for the past 13 years, and which, according to current rules I would happily been fine to drive on for another 30 years, if it hadn't been for that stupid vote.

Yeah, in the grand scheme of things like the economy going to hell in a handbasket it is a minor thing, but I'm still annoyed, and why shouldn't I be?

Theworldisfullofidiots Wed 06-Dec-17 00:14:03

EHIC is unlikely to be valid. It's primarily linked to easing freedom of movement.
You'll probably need health insurance anyway if there is no Deal as Us companies will cite free at the point of care as unfair trade practices.

Anlaf Wed 06-Dec-17 08:48:28

This is an NI border point but I assume will also apply at Calais or Zebrugge or wherever.

Association of British Insurers reported to Parliamentary subcommittee in November. There's a Green Card programme where you carry a certificate from your car insurer which demonstrates you have at least the minimum required insurance cover for the country you're travelling to in your car. (or indeed your haulage truck)

This covers 47 countries - the EU plus Middle East/Russia mainly

But if you're in the EU, it's agreed you don't need to carry the card. We'll still be part of the Green Card scheme when we leave the EU. But:

the Motor Insurance Directive requires the insurance status of any non-EU registered vehicle entering the EU to be checked at the border.

So border checks of every British vehicle, to ensure they have their Green Card. Insurers want the government to agree the current "frictionless" EU arrangements apply after we leave the EU.

If this isn't agreed, it will not necessarily prevent cross-border driving but there will be border checks, uncertainty on status of victims if you're in a crash, etc

Insurers need to know what the government plans urgently because any policies sold from March 2018 (i.e. in 3 months from now) may cover the point we're out of the EU.

I don't know of anyone in government actually looking at this. It can be agreed - Switzerland and Serbia have done so, but this will mean commitments regarding their own compliance with other aspects of EU law relating to motor insurance

i.e. we will need to comply with at least some of the EU rules on motor insurance

Theworldisfullofidiots Wed 06-Dec-17 09:21:28

THe majority of extra jobs are in the civil service. And the the funding for these jobs will come from reducing other funding. And of course it's the infrastructure that goes with it....offices, it systems etc etc. Going to cost far more than paying to ge in the EU we got actual benefits from...

Ifailed Wed 06-Dec-17 10:17:38

I checked up on the EHIC card. At the moment there is no agreement on whether it will be valid, so health insurance is another cost to be added if travelling to the EU in the future.

paap1975 Wed 06-Dec-17 10:25:48

Basically, you need to take it from the point of view that the UK will be treated like any other non-EU country. Any rights like consumer/travel protection, no roaming charges, which you get under EU law, will disappear. I expect EHIC will go too, it's all about reciprocal agreements between EU Member States. UK nationals wanting to live/work in EU countries will probably require residency/work permits, etc. There will be custom checks, duty to pay when bringing wine back from France, etc. More that I can even start to think about. Basically, it will affect every aspect of life

Ifailed Wed 06-Dec-17 10:37:52

Paap1975, I predict the ferries to France will be absolutely rammed in the last few weeks before Brexit, as people flock to stock up on booze and fags.

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