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Rumour has it, some remainers are a little glum.....

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Carolinesbeanies Mon 06-Nov-17 10:03:38

So in the spirit of sharing our deluded brexiteer cheerfulness, heres a round up of some of this weeks good news.

The government have 'found' £60billion to put is a slush fund for brexit.

And in the week that saw the interest rate rise, the Bank of England said gloomily "as migration tightens, we will see wage growth". Note the 'we will'. smile

Excellent. All this whilst the media obsess over impotent politicians as Britain works.

SoulStew Mon 06-Nov-17 16:04:51

Thanks Caroline! I’ll have a nice peruse of the links, and will wear a smug expression throughout. Can I predict some ‘unicorn and rainbow’ posts from the glum-ones soon??

FaithHopeCharityDesperation Mon 06-Nov-17 18:19:09

You forgot to add ‘despite Brexit’ Caroline...!!

No MN EU thread is allowed to be positive about Brexit - it’s against talk guidelines 😂😂

time4chocolate Mon 06-Nov-17 19:45:07

Thanks for the links Caroline’s

Faith 😀 you’re not wrong there.

MelodyvonPeterswald Mon 06-Nov-17 22:34:13

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Corcory Mon 06-Nov-17 22:54:34

Well Melody - dear dear me! what the F are you on?

time4chocolate Mon 06-Nov-17 22:57:59

Melody - I think you need to have yourself a lie down in a dark room and come back when you have pulled yourself together.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation Mon 06-Nov-17 22:59:15

Not just thick, old racists.

Thick, old, Stupid racists.


Carolinesbeanies Tue 07-Nov-17 00:35:47

Heavens Melody, think we may need to do a regular roll call just in case the grim reaper comes a-calling.

Checking in, still breathing and cheerful, and certainly looking forward to unicorns, rainbows and sunny uplands Soulstew. grin

A little bit of todays cheerfullness.

And for those who are 'readers', this is the transcript issued today, of a speech given to the House of Lords last week by Dr Markus Krall, entitled 'A German Perspective on Brexit'. Its enough to make me feel all warm and fuzzy towards the Germans this evening. smile

"To put it bluntly: You guys are leaving us alone with a bunch of socialist Latin-European nut-heads. We are not delighted"

FaithHopeCharityDesperation Tue 07-Nov-17 06:10:36

I like the final paragraph:

^The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.”

For me in this matter there is one simple truth: The British people have made a democratic decision in line with your best traditions, values and a vision of Britain that recaptures and preserves its state of liberty, freedom and democratic patriotism, a role model for a free and prosperous Europe. They have done this because they observed that those values collide with the direction the EU has taken.

This decision is to be respected and this is a truth that is currently attacked by malice, derided by ignorance, but in the end, there it is.^

Vitalogy Tue 07-Nov-17 06:45:25


UrsulaPandress Tue 07-Nov-17 06:48:58

Oh it's very upbeat in here.

Can I have a chair please?

SoulStew Tue 07-Nov-17 07:09:33

No chairs Ursula, we stand up because we have the National anthem playing on a loop here!

FaithHopeCharityDesperation Tue 07-Nov-17 08:31:11


MelodyvonPeterswald Tue 07-Nov-17 12:25:28

The speech by Dr Markus Krall is excellent. Thanks for posting Carolinesbeanies... All of our "negotiators" should have this para in front of them at every meeting
In the bureaucrat’s view nobody should be incentivised to leave the club or even to think about it. He must not go unpunished. This attitude makes it impossible, by definition, to tolerate an economically successful United Kingdom outside the Brussels sphere of hegemony. Because if Brexit is a success, economically, politically and socially there is proof to the pudding that prosperity is possible without them. The plethora of Europe’s presidents from Schulz (now ex-President) and Juncker to Draghi and Tusk would be walking naked. The emperors without clothes.

We are the only major net contributor to the EU (after Germany). If Juncker and Barnier continue to demand €100B ... we should smile.

BoboEK Tue 07-Nov-17 13:23:02

1/ Back from meetings in Brussels. There's good news and bad news. First, the bad news. Because it's... extremely bad.

2/ While consensus in London seems to assume trade talks kick off in December, senior EU officials now consider this, on balance, unlikely

3/ Brussels monitors UK media & ministers' statements - they can see PM has been backtracking since Florence - ie backtracking to cliff-edge

4/ Behind the scenes, also evidence that UK has reneged on guarantees for citizens that it initially signalled it would make. Really bad.

5/ As for money, if May insists she can't make any further commitments, EU will not trigger trade talks in December. It's that simple.

6/ EU went as far as it could in Oct. Nobody's asking for precise figure, just specific commitments. €60bn the ballpark figure.

7/ UK Government knows all this, incidentally. They're in denial about it. But what happens if they test EU anyway?

8/ If no agreement in Dec, next opportunity to kick-start talks is in March. That leaves 7 months to agree deal. They can't, and won't.

9/ All of this means, we're heading for crisis (and economic shock) very soon - December or January - unless UK comes to its senses.

10/ EU fears May, when rebuffed in Dec through her instransigence, will retreat to comforting insanity of Redwood/Mogg Brexit utopia. BAD.

11/ So senior EU officials now putting chances of no-deal at over 50%, and making detailed impact assessments about what it means for EU

12/ EU officials don't think UK Gov working in national interest; worse, believe May & Davis don't understand process, or what no-deal means

13/ EU unsure whether civil servants not telling ministers truth, or if ministers just aren't listening- but UK incompetence is mystifying

14/ One official agreed that Davis's recent remark on negotiations going down to wire, after EU Parl't vote, was lunacy. EP vote is final.

15/ Which brings us to the centrality of the misunderstanding. Brexit is a political, but far more importantly, a legal process.

16/ Article 50 rules must be obeyed. Which means, everything must be agreed by European Parliament. And that means, everything.

17/ So when Davis says that we'll have a basic deal, on eg aviation, but without things we want, that must also be approved by EU Parl't.

18/ And here's the thing: it won't happen. EU conditions for deal are € above all else: if UK refuses to pay everything, no deal on anything

19/ If UK planning to leave hole in EU budget, forget about 'deal no deal', 'basic deal', or 'orderly no deal'. No deal means no deal.

20/ That means no aviation, drastically curbed radiotherapy. No transfer of nuclear material unless UK's undergone exhaustive IAEA process

21/ EU thinks UK won't easily be able to resurrect old aviation treaties, and a new one will take 2 years. This also requires goodwill.

time4chocolate Tue 07-Nov-17 13:41:38

I think I would summarise that as ‘cough up what we say you owe us or f**k off your not having anything’. Not really a great surprise, we are merely a cash cow.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation Tue 07-Nov-17 13:58:53

We are merely a cash cow is a perfectly concise analysis of how the EU views us Time4.

It would be so much more frank & open of them to just come right out & say it, instead of tiptoeing round the tulips.

Kursk Tue 07-Nov-17 14:03:11


Who put a cactus down your pants this morning?

SoulStew Tue 07-Nov-17 14:03:33

All this refusing to talk to us until we agree to pay is ridiculous. They are behaving like a stroppy teen whose girlfriend has dumped him, but won’t give her things back unless she agrees to still let him feel her tits.

howabout Tue 07-Nov-17 14:22:32

Brought ma brolly to cope with the inevitable rain on the parade.

Thanks for the German perspective Caroline.

This seemed the appropriate place for the latest in the #despiteBrexit genre.

Not just us few suffering irrational exuberance. grin

BoboEK Tue 07-Nov-17 14:35:59

We "agreed" to the "timetable" and terms of the "divorce", strong and stable needs to get on with it.

So far today:


Anyone else?

RhiannonOHara Tue 07-Nov-17 14:40:35

We "agreed" to the "timetable" and terms of the "divorce"

Quite. Live by the sword, die by the fucking sword.

Carolinesbeanies Tue 07-Nov-17 14:44:19

Thanks BoboEK. They are utterly deluded arent they.

Slightly overshadowed today with the news of Carl Sargeant. This hysteria needs to stop and laws on anonymity and accusations need to be changed.

But posting todays cheerfulness post early, and pleased to say, backed up by the ONS, our cheerfulness has been increasing steadily since the referendum and indeed, "happiness ratings reach highest levels since 2011".

Cheery news from the CBI

and I missed Peston (usually quite intentionally) over the weekend, but he really needs a mention!

Think there may be another cheerful post later, the BBC drew attention today.

Carolinesbeanies Tue 07-Nov-17 14:46:41

Ooops, howabout, you beat me to it with the cheery ONS survey! Worth posting twice anyway grin

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