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Westministenders: Transition

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RedToothBrush Tue 11-Jul-17 22:02:05

Last thread opener, it was all about the government buzz word being shown to listen at every opportunity.

Now transition is creeping in as people realise that no we can't just do a settlement, arrange a new trade deal with the EU and have a whole host of other deals in place in two years.

Who'd have thought.

We will be getting Brexit because we give in to threats of terrorism. Not quite getting how that takes back control.

But Brexit will be good. It will be glorious. And in the long term we will be better off for it.

Er ok.

Valentine2 Tue 11-Jul-17 22:08:02

Thanks Red. Hope you get better soon.
I have given up on catching up on these threads. They move like there is no tomorrow.

Valentine2 Tue 11-Jul-17 22:08:40

But thanks BigChoc and others who replied to me. I am reading those links/points.

SingaSong12 Tue 11-Jul-17 22:12:24

Thanks Red

Mrsmartell08 Tue 11-Jul-17 22:15:29

Get well soon red x

JustAnotherPoster00 Tue 11-Jul-17 22:32:41

Placemat King, thanks as always Red, get well soon flowers

StainlessSteelButtercup Tue 11-Jul-17 22:36:34

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lonelyplanetmum Tue 11-Jul-17 22:41:20

Thank you so much Red for another thread ,especially when you aren't well. I hope you feel better soon.

I just listened to about 45 minutes of David Davis's evidence to the Lords EU committee on Brexit. That man uses lots of annoying fill words which makes him very hard to follow. This is what he said on transition. I have edited his waffle into a concise version below. 

^"What has been conflated, I think, a little bit, has been the approach to the implementation stage, or the transition phase - use the phrase you like. Yes, I believe we can get a free trade negotiation concluded, and a customs agreement negotiation concluded, in the period. What will be much more difficult, however, is to get all the practical implementations that go with it. Not so much for us; it will be quite tough to get our customs in the right place in two years, but it’s doable. But to get the French customs in the same place in two years, or the Belgian or the Dutch customs, I think is a different issue. That’s why a transitional period [may be necessary.] 
So it’s a whole series of practicalities. And what people are doing, I think, is misinterpreting a statement saying ‘We might have to do something in [the] transition period’ as being an abandonment of the original aim."

[The approach to^ the^ transition phase has been conflated. We can get a free trade and a customs agreement negotiation concluded^ in the two year period. It will be difficult to get all the practical implementations concluded within two year, ^for example customs. We can fo it, but to get the French, Belgian or the Dutch customs sorted may require a transitional period.
People misinterpret a statement saying ‘We might have to do something in [the] transition period’ as being an abandonment of the original aim.]^

Peregrina Tue 11-Jul-17 22:41:36

Placemarking, but will be away for a fortnight. Will we still be on this thread, or will we be on the one after?

BestIsWest Tue 11-Jul-17 22:45:55

Get well soon Red flowers

BigChocFrenzy Tue 11-Jul-17 22:46:27

Thanks again, red and I hope you'll soon be 100% fighting fit again flowers

OlennasWimple Tue 11-Jul-17 22:52:20

Placemat kinging, thanks Red

OlennasWimple Tue 11-Jul-17 22:52:51

Peregrina - well, a week's a long time in politics so....

prettybird Tue 11-Jul-17 22:54:15

So David Davis illustrated both arrogant English superiority in that he says "we can do it in the timescale but the other countries can't so we might need a transition period" and rose-tinted spectacles in that the government still hasn't done any preparatory work for the customs procedures required at the ports. hmm

Shameless place mat again smile

squoosh Tue 11-Jul-17 22:58:45


HesterThrale Tue 11-Jul-17 23:01:09

Best wishes Red. Get yourself well.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Tue 11-Jul-17 23:02:11

Thanks for the new thread and get well soon red flowers

I heard the crap that Viscount was spouting about Gina Miller shock. Possibly some of the most vile racist guff I've ever heard (I think I lead a sheltered life).
Then there was the comments (woodpile related) from that Tory MP. This country is getting really scary.

LurkingHusband Tue 11-Jul-17 23:09:47


BigChocFrenzy Tue 11-Jul-17 23:13:31

2 weeks, peregrina: we could could be 3-4 threads on
btw, I'm on Westministenders even more when on hols smile
Take us with you on your hols ! < indignant , climbs into peregrina's suitcase >

BigChocFrenzy Tue 11-Jul-17 23:23:38

Bojo answerring questions as Foreign Sec in the HoC:

the government had ^ “no plan for no deal” because of its confidence over securing a strong Brexit settlement with the bloc.^

Tory sceptic Philip Hollobone:
“Will you make it clear to the EU that if they want a penny piece more then they can go whistle?”

Johnson replied:
“I’m sure that your words will have broken like a thunderclap over Brussels hmm grin and ^they will pay attention to what you have said^"
< Barnier is of course cowering behind his desk right now grin >

"He makes a very valid point and I think that the sums that I have seen that they propose to demand from this country seem to me to be extortionate and I think ‘to go whistle’ is an entirely appropriate expression.”
< that's our Foreign Sec, dignified & respectful to those with whom we are negotiating ? confused >

mathanxiety Wed 12-Jul-17 02:26:39

So much indignant harrumphing; so little grip on reality...

RedToothBrush Wed 12-Jul-17 03:49:48
Ryanair boss: ‘No flights’ between UK and EU after Brexit

Flights between the UK and the European Union will be cancelled for months after Brexit, unless replacements for EU airline agreements are struck before Britain leaves the bloc, Ryanair boss Michael O’Leary told the European Parliament yesterday.

Heathrow will be deserted, summer holidays cancelled and Ryanair aircraft moved to Europe, Mr O’Leary, who insisted the sensible decision would be to ignore the referendum result, said

Someone misses the point entirely

Simon Phillips @ SimonPhillipsuk
#Ryanair boss: ‘No flights’ between UK and EU after Brexit. Bc that'll really hurt us!!

Liana Murphy @ lianamurphy
Oh dear how sad never mind. There's always Easyjet Michael and if not, then we'll wait. No probs for most of us who fly budget...

Steve Peers @ StevePeers
Point is all flights to EU could face legal barriers...govt hasn't mentioned simple solution of joining Euro Aviation Area (goes beyond EU)

So Open Skies goes with EU membership. But there's this other thing we could join called Euro Aviation Area?

And apparently no Brit has suggested this?

Maybe there is an obvious problem why, apart from the one about the government being clueless. I'll spell out why British politicians might not want to talk about joining a new scheme.

E - u - r - o Aviation Area

RedToothBrush Wed 12-Jul-17 03:54:20

Remember the light bulbs that persuaded people to vote leave?

The UK used the EU to implement a ban it wanted and led.

illegitimateMortificadospawn Wed 12-Jul-17 07:14:33

Placemat king wink

PattyPenguin Wed 12-Jul-17 07:20:13

lonely I read the summary of DD's whafflings this morning on line and thought "I wonder whether all those manufacturers who rely on just-in-time cross-border supply chains are reading this. And I wonder whether they are having the numbers crunched on costs of delays and tariffs versus costs of moving production out of the UK and/or no longer sourcing supplies from the UK."

If they haven't already done so, of course.

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