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RedToothBrush Mon 29-May-17 11:48:34

The Maynifesto is out (lets be honest here; other Manifestos are just exercises in dreaming). The rumours of what will happen post Election are in full swing.

The Conservatives are ‘relaunching’ their campaign after Theresa May’s single handed attempt at throwing the election, has needed an intervention.

Yet the reality is that May will win. And win comfortably, increasing her majority. Talk of a Corbyn surge is just that. Talk. He still is more than 5% behind and the excitement about how the gap has closed is getting carried away. Indeed it only helps the Conservatives to get their vote out. Corbyn also started from such a dreadful position, it just makes the effect look more dramatic than it really is and May was always going to struggle to get much more support after the local election peak.

The thing is none of the political parties are covering themselves in glory. No one is offering what people want. In terms of voters not being impressed by their leadership, I don’t think many are really happy and are just going for the best available option out of a particular bad crop. It does not bode well for the future regardless of who wins. We should be worried about the quality of debate and our representatives regardless of who we end up voting for.

Come election night there are going to be some particularly shocking results. The idea that there is a national trend is not right. This election is highly localised in nature. Which will result in these surprises to outsiders but perhaps not locals.

June 9th will make for a lot of soul searching I suspect. For all three parties. There will be leadership questions that remain unanswered and need to be resolved. There are still massive political divides in parties. Heads will roll and need to be replaced. Expectations and the reality have been out of line for all three in one way or another.

Yet all of this is a side show to an extent. Whilst we all scrabble around trying to work it out amongst ourselves, the rest of the world moves forward without us. And the clock ticks.

Merkel has set the tone for the next round of Brexit. It is regarded by the German political elite as ‘Trumpandbrexit’. We are part of the same phenomenon even though many see it through different eyes in this country. This lack of awareness of how we are perceived outside our own walls is something we will face head on at some point and it won’t be good.

Trump himself is up to his neck in scandal. And has risked our safety as a direct result. May might have held her hand but that relationship does not seem to be going well for us. We are between a rock and a hard place and are drifting out to see.

Global Britain has never seemed so lonely and isolated. The rosy future we were promised, becomes ever more a distant dream rather than a dawn of a new age.

Reality will get us in the end.

BiglyBadgers Mon 29-May-17 11:52:55

One is the loneliest number...

Charmageddon Mon 29-May-17 11:59:17


JustAnotherPoster00 Mon 29-May-17 12:04:57

thanks for keeping these going Red flowers

woman12345 Mon 29-May-17 12:11:13

what JustAnotherPoster00 said flowers

WifeofDarth Mon 29-May-17 12:12:27

The sooner it's over and done with the better. Thanks Red.

ClashCityRocker Mon 29-May-17 12:18:20

Thanks red.

RedToothBrush Mon 29-May-17 12:25:56
Top Tory sparks fury by saying most food bank users aren't 'languishing in poverty'

Dominic Raab blamed "cash flow problems" for the huge rise of people using the Trussell Trust - but failed to mention one crucial thing

Those poor people are proper poor. They aren't poor enough.

woman12345 Mon 29-May-17 12:31:12

Looks like a lot of tories are channelling their inner Trump.
Raab's comments parallel Carson's 'poverty is a state of mind' comments.

Gove is channelling his inner Pence (complete with southern bible belters for his brave new world in NI), and biding time for May's vote of no confidence in early autumn.

BiglyBadgers Mon 29-May-17 12:36:24

Song calling Theresa May a ‘liar’ reaches tenth place in download charts but radio stations refuse to play it

silkybear Mon 29-May-17 12:41:19

Ch4 tonight 8 30pm, may and corbyn will face a grilling from a studio audience and jeremy paxman will interview both. Think this will be as close to a leadership debate as we will get, Rudd standing in for May in the bbc ones and no labour candidate confirmed yet.

WeakAndUnstable Mon 29-May-17 12:47:01

Reality will get us in the end.

Quite. Facts may be ignored for as long as any one/nation chooses...but that won't alter them one bit.

I'm still astonished Labour is doing so well on a "spend more" agenda, whilst still apparently supporting Brexit on full knowledge that's it's the single most economically self-damaging action in the history of the UK probably.

Thanks for the new thread Red

Charmageddon Mon 29-May-17 12:47:42

Thanks for another thread Red wine

Wrt the leadership debates, I don't think they're all they were ramped up to be tbh.
The first ones with Clegg et al were good because they were a novelty but they don't really achieve a great deal.

I think the individual grillings by Andrew Neill are good, and am looking forward to the Jeremy Paxman format tonight - I like that they can be laid bare with no hiding place.

woman12345 Mon 29-May-17 12:51:54

Good song bigly smile

taytopotato Mon 29-May-17 12:57:04

So true Red.

There will be so many people who will tumble in the very bumpy road of Brexit.

Thanks Red for continuing these threads.

"If you do what you believe in, you are strong. It's when you don't do what you believe in, you are weak."

JustAnotherPoster00 Mon 29-May-17 13:25:14

SapphireStrange Mon 29-May-17 13:28:44

Marking place. Thanks Red. Dreading this election.

Cailleach1 Mon 29-May-17 13:35:40

Are things about to go lower? This article indicates May is seemingly working away to water down EU policies which will come into effect after Brexit. Therefore not a policy which will be that of the UK.

Cailleach1 Mon 29-May-17 13:47:37

"The leaked documents, obtained by Greenpeace’s Energy desk, show the UK tried to make a policy designed to improve energy efficiency – reducing greenhouse gas emissions and making goods cheaper to run for consumers – voluntary rather than mandatory."

"It also essentially argued EU member states should be allowed to make no progress at all towards a 2030 target on renewable energy until the last moment."

How can people think using more efficient, cleaner and cheaper energy is not a great advance or use their influence to arrest it? Or try to thwart the EU making it a policy. When it is to come into effect at a time the UK won't even be an EU member.

prettybird Mon 29-May-17 13:53:46

An example of when a politician (in this case Ruth Davidson) tries to hold two opposing positions at the same time...confused But there again, we no longer expect anything else from our politicians hmmsad

Brexit, Scotland and GE related grin and a shameless place mark wink

LurkingHusband Mon 29-May-17 13:59:47


howabout Mon 29-May-17 14:08:42

Don't disagree with any of that Herald article pretty but in highlighting the flaws in RD's position it also rather neatly ignores the fact that Indyref and / or higher taxes just exacerbate the Brain Drain South. Post Brexit, even if Scotland were to Remain I don't see where the pull for Europeans would be.

lalalonglegs Mon 29-May-17 14:40:30

Thanks, RTB.

Peregrane Mon 29-May-17 14:46:34


Plonkysaurus Mon 29-May-17 14:54:05

Thanks so much for these threads, Red (and all other contributors). I've learned so much more here than I ever have from the msm.

For the first time in her entire life my 60 year old mother is contemplating not voting Tory, because she can't see a positive future for her grandchildren now. I hope there are many more like her.

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