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Well, the chickens are coming home, aren't they?

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Draylon Thu 04-May-17 13:37:05

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scaryteacher Thu 04-May-17 15:47:12

Yet you are happy for a generation to be written off in Greece and Spain who are remaining in the EU?

HM Forces are on the look out for Engineers, they always are, so jobs available there; indeed my dh could have gone back in post retirement as they were short of weapon engineers.

It depends surely, where and at what the young man is looking. Babcock are always recruiting ( another ex RN engineering friend has just landed a job in NZ), and if you trawl the on-line job ads via the IET website, there are openings there.

As to being offered only one interview - it depends on if he bothered to follow the application process; did he map his qualifications and experience against the essential and desirable job criteria? You don't know that Brexit has anything to do with him only having one interview - he could have been binned at the CV stage because he hadn't done what was asked in the application process.

PMI data was 55.8 and we are $1.29 against the dollar. How is that not OK?

missmoon Thu 04-May-17 15:51:26

"Yet you are happy for a generation to be written off in Greece and Spain who are remaining in the EU? "

How will Brexit help Greece or Spain? I've heard this argument before, but I can't see how it's related to Brexit at all.

newmumwithquestions Thu 04-May-17 15:51:28

So you're gloating and happy that there's a 22 year old graduate struggling to get a job?? You sound really nice.

squishysquirmy Thu 04-May-17 15:54:14

Yeah, these feckless young people should never moan about employment when they could just join the army. hmm
Reminds me of this:
www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/fat-balding-office-manager-believes-we-need-a-good-war-20170428126755

squishysquirmy Thu 04-May-17 15:57:11

Seriously though, I am quite surprised about the engineering graduate struggling to find a job, because I thought that most sectors are short of new graduates with good degrees. If that's true, then I am worried as it means things are getting worse far more quickly than I feared. (Unless he's looking for a job in energy in North East Scotland maybe?)

PattyPenguin Thu 04-May-17 16:06:24

It does depend what branch of engineering and what part of the country.

As a corollary to that, whether it is practical to move away if offered a job. Would the salary cover the outgoings on even shared accommodation?

It also depends on companies being willing to take graduates fresh from university. Far too many want experienced engineers, which new graduates aren't, by definition.

scaryteacher Thu 04-May-17 16:22:10

Squishy I said the Forces, of which there are three. Funny how the engineering opportunities inherent in joining the RN or the RAF get ignored in favour of sneering at the Army.

If you join the Forces in an engineering role, you get to work on bits of kit that civilians don't get to, unless you are involved in the build of a warship, a fighter jet; you are given help to obtain qualifications and helped to obtain your Chartered Status. They even pay for your degree or your Masters in many cases. You also get a good pension, subsidised accommodation (although that can be variable) and some salaries top £80k. You get a wide range of experience, moving appointments every two years. Your jobs could range from being a deputy weapon engineer on a submarine to being a military diplomat, or seconded to the EUMS, or being sent to Oman as Foreign Loan service for a couple of years. When you leave, you have a massive range of transferable skills which many civilian employers are interested in. Win, win.

scaryteacher Thu 04-May-17 16:25:10

Missmoon The Op is gloating about a new grad failing to get a job, which she blames on Brexit There are millions of similar age youngsters in Spain and Greece who are in exactly the same boat, and whose countries have chosen to remain. Their failure to get jobs is not down to Brexit so why therefore should the supposed lack of Engineering jobs in the UK be down to that?

Draylon Thu 04-May-17 16:29:09

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squishysquirmy Thu 04-May-17 16:29:23

I wasn't "sneering at the army", wind your neck in.
I know a little about engineering careers, many of my friends from uni eventually went into the RAF, and for a short while I considered it for myself.
I would like to point out that however great a career in the forces may be for some people, it is not suitable for many young graduates, for a variety of reasons. Suggesting that "just join the forces" is a perfect solution to the issue of graduate unemployment is ridiculous, and easily parodied.

squishysquirmy Thu 04-May-17 16:31:26

^Not to mention that with the world not too stable at the moment, it would be wise to think very, very, carefully before signing up to some roles.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer Thu 04-May-17 16:38:07

Suggesting that "just join the forces" is a perfect solution to the issue of graduate unemployment is ridiculous, and easily parodied.

I agree

And i have just spent weeks trying to persuade ds1 that the Navy is a very good option for him

(And had coffee with three friends today all of whom have told their children the same smile)

Draylon Thu 04-May-17 16:38:32

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Draylon Thu 04-May-17 16:39:32

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ThroughThickAndThin01 Thu 04-May-17 16:40:47

I'm sure he'd still vote the same way if there was a rerun.

PossumInAPearTree Thu 04-May-17 16:43:28

It's been happening long before brexit. My brother got a first in history a few years ago, spent a year job hunting with no success. Then worked for six months flipping burgers. Then went and did a Masters at uni.

A year after finishing his masters he works as an office junior. He could have left school at 16yo.

Draylon Thu 04-May-17 16:43:49

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fakenamefornow Thu 04-May-17 16:44:38

Well, the chickens are coming home, aren't they

If only the pain could be limited to those who voted for this and wanted this though. I voted Remain and will be losing my job (that I love) because of Brexit.

TheCrowFromBelow Thu 04-May-17 16:45:24

I do not want the armed forces - any of the 3 - to be the only employment option open to my sons. I have family in the RAF, the Navy and the Army and I can wholeheartedly say it is not a career I want my DCs to follow.
I think we are in for a bleak decade.

Draylon Thu 04-May-17 16:46:25

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Draylon Thu 04-May-17 16:48:56

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Badders123 Thu 04-May-17 16:59:41

I agree completely Draylon.
My dc have dual nationality but what of those who don't?
terrifying.

missmoon Thu 04-May-17 17:05:29

"There are millions of similar age youngsters in Spain and Greece who are in exactly the same boat, and whose countries have chosen to remain. Their failure to get jobs is not down to Brexit so why therefore should the supposed lack of Engineering jobs in the UK be down to that?"

So you're saying it's completely irrelevant to issue at hand. Why bring it up at all then?

PossumInAPearTree Thu 04-May-17 17:08:32

All I meant was that graduate unemployment has been an issue long before brexit. Including in engineering. Dh works in civil engineering and I'm well aware of what the job market has been like in his field and it's not been good for for the last 5-10 years. He left one company as it was teetering on the edge five years ago, and his new company has been lurching from one crisis to another for at least two years. A friends ds has an engineering degree and has been unemployed and he graduated three years ago.

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