Referendum in final deal

[Niamer]

In most life- changing decisions, there is a get-out clause. If you buy a house with rising damp, you can pull out before completion, you can break off an engagement if your Mr. Right turns out to be Mr. Notquite. I assume most reasonable people would like the opportunity to have a look at the brexit deal we get from the EU and decide if that's really the best way forward. If you agree, please sign and share. petition.parliament.uk/petitions/193282

[Niamer]

That should say referendum ON final deal obviously.

[fakenamefornow]

Thank you for posting this.

I have a question.

If you are against a ratification (or not) referendum on the final deal. Why is that?

[IamWendy]

The fact is, that being a member of a trade club should never have been allowed in seep into controlling normal people to the extent that leaving it is a 'life changing' event. And what's the point of holding referendums when the losing side won't accept the outcome?

[Niamer]

I personally don't think there should have been a referendum on such a complex issue. In any case, it was advisory. The government have taken the advice of a slim majority and are taking the country in the direction the majority voted for. Many would agree it would be clement to stop at some point on our journey to check if everyone is still in agreement with the route. I am one of the "normal people" and I have never felt "controlled" by the EU. Have you "IamWendy"? I have benefitted from EU membership, but I can't think of a time it stopped me from doing what I wanted to.

[lalalonglegs]

Thank you for posting the link, Niamer .

[BoneyBackJefferson]

Interesting way of splitting the vote in order to try and get article 50 revoked.

[whatwouldrondo]

Iam Brexit is a life changing event precisely because of its effect on trade, and all the people whose lives will be changed by having to move countries or lose their livelihoods. I can live without an illusion of sovereignty but neither i nor my DH and DDs can earn a living in the UK that is outside the EU

[Peregrina]

And what's the point of holding referendums when the losing side won't accept the outcome?

But you could also ask why Farage said it would be unfinished business if the vote had gone the other way. Would you have questioned why he wanted another? I suspect not.

[purits]

neither i nor my DH and DDs can earn a living in the UK that is outside the EU

Care to explain further?

[IamWendy]

Of course we are controlled! Lots of it is good, safety laws etc.....some bad, like my medication that worked being banned. It's still control, it's like sitting in a cage and telling me to quit whining because the gilding is so pretty and we are safe.

[NearlyChristmasNow]

Signed.

[CopperRose]

neither i nor my DH and DDs can earn a living in the UK that is outside the EU


Whyever not?

[Niamer]

iamwendy I have never felt in a cage as a member of the EU. Does this country's rules and regulations make you feel the same way?

[Niamer]

Interesting way of splitting the vote in order to try and get article 50 revoked

Nothing cunning about it; I believe when people see the alternative to being members of the EU, the majority would vote to retain membership. If the deal really is a cracker and we'll all be better off, no doubt the result would reflect this and those of us who have campaigned against Brexit would be more inclined to accept the result.

[BoneyBackJefferson]

Niamer

It is cunning because you could easily split the leave vote and put a slot that is just for revoking article 50.

revoke wins.

[Peregrina]

My aunt had some medication which worked for her. First she could buy it over the counter, then had to have it prescribed, then it was banned. This was all long before the EU or even the EEC. What happened was that the drug which was found over the years to have side effects which weren't apparent at first.

Ditto - junior aspirin in the 1950s - the standard remedy. Now not recommended for under 16s.

It's so, so easy to blame the EU for just about everything which is wrong, when sometimes it's our own Government which is responsible or sometimes as in the case of medicines - further research and monitoring causes them to be withdrawn.

[EffinElle]

Done

[Niamer]

Boney ah I see what you mean. Not sure if this petition is for a 3 way vote or not. I had assumed it was "the deal or revoke".

[whatwouldrondo]

Copper My husband works in financial services and plans to move him overseas are already being progressed by his employer as part of their contingency plans, although he will move East rather than to Europe. I work as a consultant for those who have trade activities between Asia and Europe, most of my clients are in the service industries and are now planning to have a base or use a base in Europe, so moving with my husband will be an opportunity for my business.

My DD is a Scientist and her career prospects in the UK are now bleak as the area she is involved with in research has already lost out on its collaboration with Europe. All new Science jobs are now flooded with applicants, typically 80 for even a basic lab research assistant role. It is disastrous for those starting out in Science because what were entry level jobs are going to applicants with experience. Of course prospects even the US are now bleak so she too is looking at Asia.

Of course we could all go and work in Pret or a hotel or indeed in food picking, or any of the other areas of the economy that are going to be desperate for labour but since our skills and the sectors we work in are still valued in faster growing developing economies they are a more attractive prospect.

[FourToTheFloor]

Signed. Hope it gets the required signatures to have it debated. Why wouldn't you want to know the final deal and get a vote on it

[iismum]

IamWendy, that cage metaphor is nonsense. If you want to enter into international agreements, like trade partnerships, you give up an element of sovereignty. If you want complete sovereignty, you have to be North Korea. Nobody wants to be in a completed isolated country. But it's got nothing to do with being in a cage any more than agreeing to abide by the laws of the country so that the social system can function means you are living in a cage. It just means that you compromise.

[purits]

I had assumed it was "the deal or revoke".

They would never agree to "as you were". They might allow a revocation of Art50 but it would be subject to all sorts of conditions eg having to join the Euro.
Otherwise all member states could think about revoking Art50 at any time because there would be no repercussions.

[purits]

So "neither i nor my DH and DDs can earn a living in the UK" was hyperbole.

[purits]

If you want to enter into international agreements, like trade partnerships, you give up an element of sovereignty.

If the EEC had stuck to trade agreements then we wouldn't have had the referendum. It was the unrelenting march to ever closer union, featuring the Single Market, that was its downfall in the UK.
Funny how numerous other countries in the world manage to survive and negotiate international deals despite not being in the EU. How do they manage it?

[lalalonglegs]

purits - you don't know that - nobody does at this juncture and there is a case (Jolyon Maugham) going through the Irish courts that will likely end up at the ECJ in part to establish if A50 is revocable and under what conditions.

I don't think ron's post was hyperbolic - her clients will be focused on EU countries post-Brexit, her husband is likely going to have to relocate to an EU27 country because his employers don't want to stay in a UK outside the EU and her daughter(s) works in a sector that is suffering serious consequences because of our withdrawal. I know several people in similar positions, some of whom are already moving. There's nothing drama-llama about this state of affairs, it's just very sad for them (and me).