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What would be a good compromise for both sides?

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Dannythechampion Tue 11-Apr-17 00:18:40

There is little talk of this really.

Would a deal where:

1. The UK leaves the customs union so it is able to arrange its own trade deals.
2. Industries with cross border supply chains are granted special access in both countries.
3. The UK still pays some sort of fee into the EU for this access.
4. The UK can set numbers on EU immigration based upon figures required by industry.
5. There is a seperate ISDS court for UK/EU rulings.

Would that suit?

Cailleach1 Tue 11-Apr-17 00:55:30

Do you mean a compromise position between Leavers and Remainers? To agree on what they would like the gov't to have on a wish list going into negotiations with the EU.

Dannythechampion Tue 11-Apr-17 02:00:38

Yup that sounds good to me smile

mupperoon Tue 11-Apr-17 07:57:20

I just don't see the point of this compromise. It will be more costly than what we have now and it will deal only with EU immigration. And how are we meant to get brilliant trade deals on our own as a little island rather than as part of a powerful bloc? Everyone knows we're desperate and even so they are saying that they will prioritise ongoing talks with the EU.

I can't see that this compromise will achieve anything to benefit the UK.

Anon1234567890 Tue 11-Apr-17 10:39:43

Isn't that what we are probably going to negotiate any way?
Remoaners will never go for it as nothing short of complete integration into the EU will make them happy.

Dreardre Tue 11-Apr-17 10:55:31

I'm a Remoaner and I accept the result. The only compromise that matters is whatever deal the U.K. Government can cobble together with the EU. I know a few Leave voters who have good positive intentions for our country and I know a couple of others who are walking cliches of ignorance and racism. Watchagonnado?

SemiPermanent Tue 11-Apr-17 11:12:36

Dreardre, tbh you sound the complete opposite of a 'remoaner'.

The remoaners are the Remain version of the BNP.

SemiPermanent Tue 11-Apr-17 11:18:28

To answer the OP though, I agree with dreardre - the outcome will be whatever the EU & UK negotiations agree.

I fully expect it to be a pretty soft Brexit initially - is that what I want? Ultimately no, but I am a realist & can see that that is the best option for the short term.

I would hope that full Brexit is achieved eventually, but I understand that realistically it will take a long time for that to become a reality if it's to be done properly and sensibly.

SapphireStrange Tue 11-Apr-17 11:21:49

No. I want us to stay in the customs union and the single market. The UK can already control EU immigration; we just haven't bothered in the past because that way, 'them immigrants' become a handy straw man for governments to point at and blame.

I was a Remainer and I'd like a Fudgit –continued membership of customs union and single market; no border between UK and ROI; continued right to free movement (with some meaningless tiny 'restrictions' put on immigration to appease the frothers, if we must). It's worth paying for.

Dreardre Tue 11-Apr-17 11:28:40

I may not be the "Remain version of the BNP" (ludicrous and insulting idea) but I have plenty of contempt for those idiots who think this was a majority decision. A bit over a third of the eligible electorate voted Leave. A bit less than a third voted Remain- the rest .. no excuse for not voting. Absolutely not a majority.
I know of no Remain voters who use BNP tactics. At all. And I know plenty of Remain voters. I moan at the gullibility of my fellow citizens. £350 mill to the NHS anyone? Increase in hate crime? But I will live with this stupidity same as we all have to do.

timetobackout Tue 11-Apr-17 11:45:20

See Danny as a leaver I would accept that and would hope that a majority on both sides could accept that. But within a few posts you can see the bitterness from the remainers

Peregrina Tue 11-Apr-17 11:48:49

I know of no Remain voters who use BNP tactics.

Consider that 100,000 Remain voters marched on 25th March. There were no arrests and a number of Remain voters wrote to thank the Police for the way they conducted the policing.

By contrast, EDL and Britain First, far right groups similar to BNP staged a march of between 100-250 people the following Saturday at which violence broke out and 14 arrests were made.

To me that gives the lie to the statement that 'Remoaners' are a Remain version of BNP or other fascist groups.

Dannythechampion Tue 11-Apr-17 12:01:16

Remoaners, is generally used to describe anyone who is still involved in discussing the brexit process, or in pushing for a soft brexit or anything.

Funnily enough, on here its used by the people who wanted protection from hate speech for leavers, and its used as a term of abuse.

Its also used by those who tell us Brexit was about democracy, the irony.

Dreardre Tue 11-Apr-17 12:01:48

Yes I am bitter about the result- wouldn't you be if it went against you. Do we live in some sort of tyranny whereby we have to agree with Leavers? No, of course we don't. It's a democracy- I don't agree with you. You have to live with that.

TheNumberfaker Tue 11-Apr-17 12:19:19

A compromise that gave us all the benefits of being in the EU plus 'extras' would be fine.

By benefits, I'm also including what many would regard as disadvantages though: 4 freedoms; elected MEPs; representation on the Commission; primacy of EU laws, especially those that protect the public from exploitation; continuation of the massive rebate we currently get; no compulsion to join Schengen or euro...

timetobackout Tue 11-Apr-17 12:28:15

No of course you don't have to agree with it, but on a thread trying to promote some kind of common agreement with two disparate parties carping about a legitimate result(however much you might disagree with the circumstances it was called or the rhetoric around the campaign )seems counterproductive. Speaking personally I have lived most of my adult life in the EU, so if the result had been different why would I have been bitter, it would have more of the not particularly irksome same. Look like most people I have opinions on a lot of different issues,some more strongly held than others,but that doesn't make me think they are 'right' I am not infallible and in many cases there is no right or wrong just different equally valid points of view.

SemiPermanent Tue 11-Apr-17 12:57:44

Remoaners, is generally used to describe anyone who is still involved in discussing the brexit process, or in pushing for a soft brexit or anything.

No, they would simply be Remainers.

The re*moan*ers are an entirely different breed, hence my distinction.

Dannythechampion Tue 11-Apr-17 12:59:38

Your application might be different, but its not how many use it.

For example the news of Gina Miller's new group to push for a soft brexit was derided as "remoaning"

What makes a remoanrer in your eyes?

Cailleach1 Tue 11-Apr-17 13:03:17

I think you'd need to have two reached compromise lists.

The first would be the compromise of what people want.

The second would be the realistic one, taking into account that you cannot mix and match the EU rules. Also what the EU have said is not possible.

I'm not sure how long the second list, marrying (at least) 3 sets of redlines could be.

SemiPermanent Tue 11-Apr-17 13:06:50

I think I've made it quite clear tbh.

There are people who voted Remain who have accepted that we will be leaving, but are now channeling their energy into trying to ensure the softest possible Brexit - they are not moaning, gnashing & being disgustingly offensive about Leave voters.

There are a small, extreme group who are just as nasty & abhorrent as the extreme BNP lot who want to subvert and overturn the ref result and will do anything they can to achieve that - they are the teeth gnashing, bigoted few who sneer repeatedly at anyone who voted differently to them and are equally as obnoxiously hateful as their opposite numbers.

whatwouldrondo Tue 11-Apr-17 13:08:57

I want a deal, and with back up plans in place, that enable us to maintain some form of competitive advantage in global markets. It is all very well being able to do our own trade deals but we have to have something to trade that others want to buy. There inso mention there of Services, 70% of our economy, and something we sell successfully across the globe, but the financial passport and EU access is a very important reason that we have a competitive advantage in services (not just financial services, also the creative and consultancy sectors. There is also no mention of how we continue to punch above our weight in science and tech, a competitive advantage that also underpins the competitiveness of our trade in goods (things like gas turbines etc.) That is enabled by access to EU networks and funding, and is already damaged. Then there is our knowledge economy and universities, also already hit.

We already know how an industry quota system works, or rather doesn't work. It is what we have for non EU immigrants, and it does not work well for business.

No sensible proposals on all those issues and no plans in place to shift the economy to new sources of competitive advantage in the future. It will truly be a little England.

Dreardre Tue 11-Apr-17 13:10:25

"There are a small, extreme group who are just as nasty & abhorrent as the extreme BNP lot who want to subvert and overturn the ref result and will do anything they can to achieve that - they are the teeth gnashing, bigoted few who sneer repeatedly at anyone who voted differently to them and are equally as obnoxiously hateful as their opposite numbers."

No idea what you are talking about.

GhostofFrankGrimes Tue 11-Apr-17 13:15:35

Hyperbole semi. The Brexit arms was all sweetness and light wasn't it?

Dannythechampion Tue 11-Apr-17 13:21:52

As far as i remember some posters in the Brexit arms were perfectly fine.

There was a lot of very nasty things said though, and lots of times they just repeated the same incorrect information to each other over and over.

SemiPermanent Tue 11-Apr-17 13:36:47

The Brexit arms was all sweetness and light wasn't it?

No, it wasn't.

There was repeated instances of posters coming on purely to lash out at and be vitriolic to/about MN Leave voters.

Not very edifying really.

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