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who will be the Nexit?

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springflowers11 Wed 29-Mar-17 13:04:17

France? will there even be an Eu in 5 years?

Stripyhoglets Wed 29-Mar-17 14:42:15

Yes. I think what we have done will make them stronger than ever and more determined to carry on. Other countries don't want to end up where we are and more moderates will bother to vote to stop the lurking threat of the far right now they've seen the risks.

Itinerary Wed 29-Mar-17 15:24:15

Yes, France perhaps.

You don't need to be on the "far right" to opt for your nation to be independent of the EU smile

ChilliMum Wed 29-Mar-17 15:30:26

I don't know, I live in France and the general feeling is that the UK have collectively lost their marbles.

ilovesooty Wed 29-Mar-17 15:34:10

I can't imagine the French doing what we've done.

And the Dutch certainly believe the UK has taken leave of its senses. The people I know anyway.

5FancyFrocks Wed 29-Mar-17 15:57:28

Eu will be stronger now without us, without our anti EU MEP and without us asking for lots of concessions. It was one of the single most stupid steps to take for our country all cos we don't like forrin and we were manipulated to feel special about being English. Life goes on, we will miss out on so much, it's not just the economy that will take a hit but research, science, technology, quality of life. Do you remember what it was like in the 70s? It will be worse for us. Think no workers rights, no provisioning for protecting the environment. We are already half owned by Quatar and China. We'll have much more of that. Those at the bottom of the ladder today will be joined by those just a couple of steps up to form a new serf class. Those few select at the top will enjoy decadent privileges. Oh well. The thing we do so not to hear Polish on the streets, eh?

Op, the EU will be just fine, better in fact. Good for them

Peregrina Wed 29-Mar-17 16:54:45

I think the EU will be fine. It might reform in a way that we would have found acceptable and then we will look totally stupid.

GhostofFrankGrimes Wed 29-Mar-17 16:57:17

EU support surges in big European countries after Brexit vote

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll-idUKKCN1002A0

Bananagio Wed 29-Mar-17 17:05:20

Yes am sure there will be an EU in some shape or form. Not getting any feel in Italy from people, press or TV that the country is anywhere near thinking of leaving for a start.

But I know that doesnt fit the agenda of Brexit being predicted to cause a domino effect. The Netherlands clearly rejected their best chance of a chance to leave the other week. The chance of Le Pen winning the second ballot are slim and even if she does that still doesnt mean France want to exit the EU. Germany I can't see leaving in a million years. And before anyone said ahhh but noone thought we would leave the EU - I did! No other EU state has been subjected to the 40 years of anti-Europe propaganda, the majority pro Brexit press and the use of the EU as the bogeyman used to excuse so many governmental failures in the way the UK has had so no great surprise at all.

Lindy2 Wed 29-Mar-17 17:06:15

I think the Euro will cause massive problems in the EU over the next decade. I think the economic unbalance it creates will cause the eventual split of the EU. The financial position of many EU banks is very ropey indeed.
In the same way as the majority of the peopke are are relieved we refused to join the Euro we will also be relieved we started to change our relationship with Brexit.
Not joining the Euro was seen as ridiculous and the start of the UK's economic downfall at the time. The reality played out a little differently.

OhtoblazeswithElvira Wed 29-Mar-17 17:13:00

Oh dear! I clicked on this thread because I thought it was about the end of the UK as we know it!

To answer your question OP, I don't think any other countries will want to leave the EU any time soon. What the UK is doing doesn't look clever or desirable at all from the outside. The mood in other countries is different and, as always, misread by the British press.

On the other hand it is looking very likely that the UK will not exist in its current form in 5 or 10 years' time.

DevelopingDetritus Wed 29-Mar-17 17:41:46

France.

AnneElliott Wed 29-Mar-17 17:44:24

It's an interesting question. Some Danish civil servants who I met before the referendum thought that in Denmark a vote on the EU might result in leave winning. They also said " if you're out, we'll be out" but that's just one particular group.

armpitz Wed 29-Mar-17 17:57:48

I'd say France.

Le Pen's chances look slim but it's worth bearing in mind how inaccurate the polls have been. There is a definite anti-EU movement over there.

Peregrina Wed 29-Mar-17 19:35:36

I think that Hungary might get kicked out for being too right wing. I don't see any of the original six having any desire to leave. It must be very frustrating for elderly French people to know that De Gaulle was absolutely right as far as the UK was concerned.

Mistigri Wed 29-Mar-17 21:37:37

I'd bet a lot of money on the people answering France not having any knowledge of French politics beyond what they read on Breitbart and having a French vocab of about 3 words.

Highly unlikely to be France - not even on Le Pen's agenda (she wants a referendum on the Euro not the EU).

Netherlands stuck two fingers up to the alt reich, so will Germany, and and there is a good chance that France will come out of this with a government that is more not less pro EU.

Bananagio Wed 29-Mar-17 22:02:32

It makes me laugh misti to see how many people who blatantly have no comprehension of the political, social or economic situation in other EU countries bar through the distortion of the anglophone press and social media feel qualified to pass judgement on the direction those countries are likely to take. An example being the way the Netherlands Wilder victory and Nexit was glibly predicted whereas anyone who had just the slightest bit of knowledge re the electoral system there was able to point out why Wilder as pm was highly unlikely to happen. And don't let me get started on the shockingly misreported Italian referendum last year. So fucking sick of ignorance being given the same platform and level of validity as knowledge and expertise.

springflowers11 Wed 29-Mar-17 22:05:20

I think that is your wishful thinking there mistri . Le Pen was in the lead in today's opinion poll and she said she is committed to a Frexit referendum

armpitz Wed 29-Mar-17 22:05:55

I won't pretend to be an expert in French politics or British politics for that matter but there is support for Le Pen in France and whether or not that emerges as her winning the presidential election or not the support is nonetheless there.

Alpacinoshoohaa Wed 29-Mar-17 22:14:57

Greece or Italy. They have been brought to their knees economically. Joining Euro has been utter disaster for them.

Alpacinoshoohaa Wed 29-Mar-17 22:17:05

By the way I don't see it as a right wing thing, that's a grave mistake. Its simply a - we cant carry on like this anymore, its a disaster but the only parties who seem to object to it - are mainly more to the right.

Bananagio Wed 29-Mar-17 22:23:56

And leaving the EU and returning to the lira would be an utter utter disaster. I love my adopted country Italy but blaming all its problems on the EU without looking at its decades of internal issues politically, without looking at internal corruption etc is ridiculous. Despite being a complete Remainer I have issues with the EU re their response to the migrant crisis and their treatment of Greece amongst other things but to leave on the basis of this is baby and bathwater territory.

GhostofFrankGrimes Wed 29-Mar-17 22:25:36

its simply a - we cant carry on like this anymore, its a disaster but the only parties who seem to object to it - are mainly more to the right.

Carry on like what? Britain's problems such as austerity are home grown.

Mistigri Wed 29-Mar-17 22:34:14

I think that is your wishful thinking there mistri . Le Pen was in the lead in today's opinion poll and she said she is committed to a Frexit referendum

In the lead in what opinion poll? You do know that there are two rounds to the election? She could lose the second round (if she gets through the first round, and depending on her opponent) by as much as 24%.

For sure she'd like a Frexit referendum, but she would need France to leave the eurozone first, and she has promised to hold a referendum on that.

Go read some French newspapers. There are very few English language media with good European political coverage; honourable mention to the FT and the english-language version of France 24.

Mistigri Wed 29-Mar-17 22:36:58

And don't let me get started on the shockingly misreported Italian referendum last year. So fucking sick of ignorance being given the same platform and level of validity as knowledge and expertise.

This, with gold plated knobs on.

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