Stop the silence(390 Posts)
We have heard much talk about "the will of the people" recently. If you are not one of the people supporting the Tory hard Brexit or "Brexit at any cost", you may be interested in "Stop the silence", which gives a voice to the rest of us - those who voted Leave thinking of a Norway-style model, those who thought they were saving the NHS, those who voted Remain. Please like on FB and re-tweet.
What a bizarre slogan. No-one is being "silenced" or being "denied a voice" on this subject. We've recently heard from Tony Blair, Michael Heseltine, Ken Clarke, Peter Mandelson, Anna Soubry, Nick Clegg, Charles Kennedy and a whole host of others. Freedom of speech is alive and well in the UK.
I'm happy with the slogan. We may be free to speak, but we are certainly woefully lacking in representation.
What a bizarre slogan
It is a bit. It could be referring to the fact that many people voted and moved on pretty much straight away and that we all SHOULD be talking about it more.
I do think many are afraid to speak up for the amount of hate thrown at anyone who sticks their head above the parapet. We have social media to thank for that.
I think it's excellent and taps into the way that i and many of my friends and colleagues have been feeling.
So, more trying to shout down democracy? Is that what you mean?
Moving on is what people normally do when a vote doesn't go their way, its called getting on with life.
I'd quite like - as someone with a direct interest in this (migrant using FoM rights) but who was disenfranchised in the referendum - to think that someone somewhere is standing up for my interests.
Bit stupid to launch before the site is complete though.
"Moving on is what people normally do when a vote doesn't go their way, its called getting on with life."
I'm not sure you've quite got the hang of democracy here.
No-one is being "silenced" or being "denied a voice" on this subject
The government's own white paper on Article 50 states that there are 65 million people willing Brexit to happen.
I'm not willing it to happen. I think there are many other people who are in the same position.
Not recognising this is very much denying it a voice.
"And another thing that’s important. The essential ingredient of our success. The strength and support of 65 million people willing us to make it happen."
Commenting above in her Lancaster House speech, Theresa May doesn't say 65 million people wanted Brexit. She's saying that 65 million people want to see a successful Britain, and that the strength and support of the British people are one of the "ingredients" of how that is achieved. We take control of our own country and it's then up to us, not the EU, what we do next and how.
Yup, Gina again, wish there were more like her
For some reason the little englanders don't seem to like assertive non-white women.
So to listen to the 16 million remainers we should silence the 17.5 million leavers? Well that seems a bit contradictory. How about we listen to everyone, then politely and democratically go with the majority! Oh, wait we did.
The majority said we should leave but not how we should do it - that is a decision that every eligible voter should feel that they have a stake in, via their elected representative in the HoC as well (of course) via their right to organise politically to seek the sort of brexit they want.
How about we listen to everyone
Which includes listening to those in government who are bound by oath to consider all options and act in the best interest of the country.
We take control of our own country and it's then up to us, not the EU, what we do next and how
We have always had control. Her OWN speech actually admitted that ('Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that'), which is jaw-dropping.
How about we listen to everyone, then politely and democratically go with the majority! Oh, wait we did
So, how many of the population voted for "hard Brexit"? Do you have that figure to hand?
Of course not, because it wasn't the question that was asked. So, I would say we didn't "listen to everyone" on that point.
The majority said we should leave but not how we should do it
Yes that is the LibDem
alternative facts spin, they are hoping will get them a few more MPs at the next election. Leavers voted to leave the EU at the referendum, not pretend to leave. That is democracy for you, you get to put one cross in a box and majority wins.
So, how many of the population voted for "hard Brexit"?
None because 'hard Brexit' wasn't on the ballot paper. The options were leave or stay (with Cameron's reforms). Pretend to leave was not an option.
Pretend to leave
Can you enlighten us as to what this actually means?
Being in the EU is binary - you are in or you are out.
But being "out of the EU" encompasses diverse relationships with the EU, from Norway to Iceland to Turkey to Canada, all of whom are outside the EU but have different legal frameworks for their relationship with it.
The question of which of those relationships people prefer was not on the ballot paper.
I think the point is that people are speaking but no one is listening.... so the 48% who voted Remain feel silenced. That's how I feel at least, I voted Remain, I'm still entitled to my own view and opinion and have valuable input to add to how we makes things work. My opinion is not redundant.
It's classic divide and rule when we need unity.
As for those who think we should just be getting on with life, let us know how you're finding life once your taxes have gone up, prices gone up, wages gone down, whilst swathes of public services, education and healthcare have all been sold off, means tested or abandoned to plug funding gaps and the only jobs available are low skilled and low paid positions left open by foreign workers who don't feel welcome anymore.
Because what TM is actually doing here is not really for the 52%, she's implementing her own agenda under the veil of Brexit. So at the end of the day, she can tell you that she's just doing what you voted for. It's all worth it for the glory of winning though isn't it
Also, the absence of any credible opposition in the U.K. also means that there is no one to truly hold the government to account on their actions or decisions regardless of its EU bias. This further fuels the sentiment of the 48% that there is no one to represent them.
I think there will be an almighty upheaval at the next election. I've voted conservative all my life and never votes any other way. After the mess the govt made of hosting the referendum (you realise we are all still arguing about what question was actually asked....!?) and implementing its outcome I will never be voting for them again as long as I live/
Can you enlighten us as to what this actually means? (Pretend to leave)
Pretend to leave aka: staying in the single market, keeping free movement of people, being controlled by the ECJ, not being allowed to do our own trade deals, handing over tens of billions every year to Brussels etc etc The only difference being that we can pretend to be out of the EU in name only.
aka If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
you realise we are all still arguing about what question was actually asked
No we really aren't. That is spin remainers are using to try and get the voters decision blocked. Leavers are quite clear, we voted to leave the EU.
I think there will be an almighty upheaval at the next election
I agree, JC is destroying the Labour party and Tories will be in power for a decade.
aka If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
So - At what point on the Norway-Iceland-Turkey-Canada spectrum does it stop quacking?
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