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My Romanian dentist...

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MrsPeterDoherty Mon 20-Feb-17 12:39:18

...is leaving the UK shortly due to Brexit.

There is a shortage of NHS dentist already in my home town. It will be difficult to find a new practice with space available for my family and me.

Thanks to the Leave voters, I will have rotten teeth!

Mrsmorton Mon 20-Feb-17 12:51:38

Your teeth are far more to do with how you eat and look after them than they are to do with your dentist...

However, that is sad. Immigrants make the NHS work, I don't think I had a British dental nurse in over a decade in practice. A Peruvian and lots of Romanians, Estonia, Australia and Russia... plus others I'll have forgotten. Wonder where they'll all come from...

TheFullMrexit Mon 20-Feb-17 14:21:55

where did they come from pre 2004?

MrsPeterDoherty Mon 20-Feb-17 14:26:18

Do you mean dentists? My previous dentist was Asian.

The point is that we are going to suffer without the EU people in the NHS.

TheFullMrexit Mon 20-Feb-17 16:14:40

Oh, my point is - we survived staffing the NHS Before the FOM was lifted under Blair and we will survive again. That was ten or so years ago.

We will be able to add dentists to the list of people we want to emigrate here, like other countries do and attract people with the specific skills we actually need.

Rather than allowing millions of people in with skills we don't need in the hope that a few dentists crop up. confused

PigletWasPoohsFriend Mon 20-Feb-17 16:16:43

Thanks to the Leave voters, I will have rotten teeth!

Leave voters aren't responsible for your teeth!

Overrunwithlego Mon 20-Feb-17 16:21:45

thefullmrexit I think the fear is that people with skills that we will desperately need won't want to come here anymore - at least in the short to medium term. I've heard many people talk about letting in those in that we need - it's incredibly arrogant and doesn't take into account how our image has changed recently.

MrsPeterDoherty Mon 20-Feb-17 19:41:07

Exactly, lego, my dentist doesn't have to go, at least not yet. He is choosing to go as he no longer feels welcome sad

Heratnumber7 Mon 20-Feb-17 19:49:07

Loads of doctors are Indian, and lots of nurses are from the Philippines. Not being in the EU hasn't stopped them working here.

Heratnumber7 Mon 20-Feb-17 19:51:04

And I'm sure Romania will be happy to get its dentists back!

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer Mon 20-Feb-17 20:16:35

Its a great shame that he is thinking of leaving

I should imagine he feels very uncertain

ivykaty44 Mon 20-Feb-17 21:16:03

we survived staffing the NHS Before the FOM was lifted under Blair and we will survive again

That was because we trained our own medical staff, but training places have decreased and decreased.

We would need to increase the training in 2011 to cope again

RortyCrankle Tue 21-Feb-17 10:02:38

Well it's a win for Romanians who need a dentist.

Olympiathequeen Tue 21-Feb-17 11:23:29

I voted to leave but not to send all eu or world immigrants back to their home countries. I voted for sovereignty and the unfairness of the whole setup, not least the huge budget inequalities.

Maybe if people who work here would understand it's not all about immigration. I still want free movement of workers provided they are paid and treated in line with U.K. workers.

I think TM should clarify this as soon as possible but until negotiations start it has to be delayed.

It's sad the referendum was so black and white and didn't have more questions regarding the biggest issues. Also that the language brought out the worst in some people, and the moderates were overshadowed.

BrieAndChilli Tue 21-Feb-17 11:30:53

I always wonder why so many of NHS staff are from other countries?? Why don't British people train to do these jobs? Why are foreign people more willing to put up with the conditions of the NHS then we are? Dentists earn good money (my friend sends his kids to private school, has a massive house and lots of cars!) so why are we so short of them?

EssentialHummus Tue 21-Feb-17 11:39:14

OP, your dentist's decision reflects what I see around me - EU national friends (educated, working in highly paid professional jobs) are packing up and leaving. Meanwhile the exact people we apparently don't want in (low skilled/unskilled) are continuing to arrive - I think there was actually something in the paper last week about numbers being up.

Great result.

(Full disclosure: I hold both EU and non-EU citizenship.)

ReleaseTheBats Tue 21-Feb-17 11:52:11

I haven't been able to get a decent NHS dentist for years and have had to pay for private.

birdybirdywoofwoof Tue 21-Feb-17 12:59:00

Well that's told you, OP. It's no big deal if dentists leave because, hey.

a. Releasethebats already pays for private dental care.
b. Romanian dentists should be in Romania.
c. Your teeth has nothing to do with your dentist.
d. Who needs foreign dentists anyway? We managed without them before.

This is one of those extraordinary threads which just shows how people have no idea what's coming.

exLtEveDallas Tue 21-Feb-17 13:12:56

The dentist surgery I use has 4 dentists and 6 dental nurses. All are 'immigrants' (I don't know how many have opted for British citizenship, nor how many were born here. I'm basing my knowledge on names/accents tbh so I accept I could be wrong). The hygienist is British, as is one of the receptionists (the other receptionist is Polish).

It took me ages to find a dentist when I was leaving the Army, this practice was the only one in two towns that were taking on new patients. God knows what would happen if this one closed - it's always really busy and has really good opening hours (8-8 M to F and 9-12 on Sat).

This is the sort of thing that really worries me about Brexit, and the one of the reasons I voted remain. DH voted Brexit...we can't talk about it any more...

GingerAndTheBiscuits Tue 21-Feb-17 13:22:52

When I was growing up most dentists around us were Irish! A significant number still come to work in the U.K. currently. As above, the govt needs to clarify the status of EU nationals already here as soon as possible

twofingerstoEverything Tue 21-Feb-17 16:48:04

Why don't British people train to do these jobs?

University fees probably play no small part.

lalalonglegs Tue 21-Feb-17 17:27:40

And those that do train to do these jobs are eyeing up vacancies abroad (doctors especially) where there is investment in health services and staff. If you are a qualified nurse/doctor/dentist etc, you can pretty much stick a pin in a map and find work. They don't need to stay in stressful posts in wet and increasingly fractious Blighty.

MrsPeterDoherty Tue 21-Feb-17 19:46:51

birdybirdywoofwoof. I agree, people don't seem to understand the implications.
It's not just dentists; I worry that my dad's carers will leave too - most are Eastern European.
I alternate between anger and despair at Brexit sad

Lohengrin Wed 22-Feb-17 16:16:16

There is a big issue around the UK failing to fund sufficient training places in medicine, nursing and associated professions.
I have never understood why a UK student has to have 3 or 4 A grades at A level, great social skills and a CV full of volunteering etc to get a place on a medical course here. Demand is so great that hundreds of suitable, well qualified, UK based students fail to get places. The NHS then recruits doctors and nurses from abroad who would not have come anywhere near the threshold the UK students had to meet to get on the courses and who, in many cases have the added disadvantage of not speaking fluent English.

We need to be providing more training places here.

LaBrujaPiruja Wed 22-Feb-17 17:30:18

Lohengrin, I can only compare with how it works in Spain but I can tell you it is really difficult to get a place in a Medicine course in Spain. The Spanish ‘A Levels’ system means that student need to sit many more exams and then specialise in a few subjects in order to get the ‘nota’ (grades) needed for a course. I might be mistaken but the maximum ‘nota’ in the general phase (so basic syllabus plus a subject related to the specific Bachillerato) is 10 points and in top of this, sitting extra exams on a subject related to the degree you can get up to 4 points. The minimum ‘nota’ for Medicine courses has been 12+ points for ages. My niece has started a Medicine degree and the minimum ‘nota’ at her Uni was 12.8. And then, once they have the degree, they have to pass the MIR, that is a very difficult exam.

Some Unis have further tests for applicants (logical, empathy, etc.)

For most Nursery and Physiotherapy degrees you need 9 / 10+ points.

Although there are a few new Colleges offering courses to students with lower marks this is not the norm.

Just to give some context, I was a very brilliant student, top of the class (sorry, not boasting), and with the current system I would have only got 8.5 to 9 points so I would not have been offered a place! Even then only the brightest were offered places.

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